Did a Black Hole Swallow the Earth on 9/10/2008?

Nothing will happen..this is a media hype 😉

Hmph..I’ve Read About This.
It Was Nice While It Lasted.
I Personally Hate The Idea Of This, And Think It May Go Wrong :
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if all goes to hell then at least we where there….

Noone really knew what would happen if the atom bomb was fired in the atmosphere. People thought that the bomb would ignite the atmosphere itself and eradicate an lifeform on the surface. Same again for the LHC. Sure there is the possibility that some very rare and improbable condition will result in a disastrous effect, but that is science. Everyday biologists and chemists work with extremely infectious material; some of which could probably mean the end of humankind if it was released from containment. But noone is talking about that. I say, let it happen and see what comes out of it. That is the nature of humans and that is exactly what gave us the ability to even build somthing like the LHC. Without that, we would still sit in caves and hope for the next pray to stroll by.

It’s out of our hands. They are going ahead and doing it – which suggests its safe. After all these big brains aint gonna wanna destroy the ground they walk on are they! It’s all hype. They’ll get the results they need and we’ll all sit down in a few months to watch “The Men Who Made A Black Hole” on Channel 4 only to find out it was a black hole in theory that existed for only 1 billionth of a second. I’ll watch it through the usual haze of Stella and crisps.

How about this, God lets whacked out scientists blow themselves up in their effort to get passed, “In the beginning God….”

This is all bull how can ANYONE copy 99.99% the speed of light. This is probably another scam like how people say 2012 will end. It definitely won’t end 2012 an it definitely wont’ end tomorrow. God decides that.

why does everybody say that God decides all this [crap]?

scientists have found evidence how the world was created

its not like some guy said: ”hey lets make a world”

Who knows if theyre wrong god shall save us all!!!!

LOL@EARTH

is the world really gonna end in 2012?

i mean whats gonna cause that?

This will go wrong! God will never let us know how the entire universe was created. Think about that in the Bible… with Babels tower….he didn’t let people do that either. And he mixed up the peoples language so they couldn’t find out so much. Why are we people playing with God?! think about this and pray!

Lmfao the meachine would make a great ride

No, not really. It would have been 1:36 AM our time. That’s when they turned it on, but actually, “It will be weeks or months before two particles ever crash together in the giant tube” – news.au I found this comment on another site interesting:

“The Mayans wrote that the end of the world is on December 21, 2012. The Chinese I Ching also predicted it‚Ķ.on the same day. The Greek Oracle Sybil predicted it on that day too. So did the alleged ‚Äúreal Merlin‚Äù, who told shocking stories of the future to the locals. ‚Äú‚ÄòAnything between a year and four years, depending on how difficult this new physics is to find,‚Äô Mr Engelen said.‚Äù Four years! 2008+4=2012. Its September right now! Maybe this machine could cause the end of the world.”

So, we may have weeks, months, or even years left before every molecule on Earth is sucked through a horrendous man-made orifice the size of a mosquito.

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THE BLACK HOLE IS COMING LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL.
I died.

ya right. look , someones trying to scare us. we can u know , create black holes. but i beleive the world has a designated death date, and only god can change that. and hes a little more creative than british scientists or french or watev.

If end comes in a few days or weeks, let’s look at the bright side:

We don’t have to worry about McCain’s domestic policies (if he has any) or even whether he becomes president or not. We don’t have worry about the ongoing human loss in the wars in Iraq or Afghanistan nor do we need to worry about a possible war with Iran or a conflict with Russia. We don’t have to worry about the tension between Bush’s administration and Venezuela or the rest South America for that matter. We don’t have to worry about the carcinogens creeping into our degrading environment from our industrial neighbors, or the loss of near pristine wilderness areas to the highest industrial bidder, or problems with institutional racism, the loss academic freedoms, or the official neglect of poverty, illness and suffering in our own cities around the world. And, Xeno won’t have to read my comments any more! So, ironically enough, for some of us the end might not be a bad thing.

well Im only 15 and things are goin pretty good for me for once so I can only hope i make it to 30 years old which might or might not happen i just hope so.
stupid ass science to help the world….[screw] science its why i failed 7th grade….it will definetely go…boom or make black hole…which will be cool but…NOOOOOOO ITS SUCKIN ME IN

Dear openbytes,

I don’t want to disillusion your faith in “governments” (you said, “people are worried that governments would allow an experiment that could destroy the world?”) but some day you’ll have to awake up and smell the carcinogenic petrochemicals in the air.

Let give you an example (and our government was well aware of the danger as our President at time, at least his scientific advisers, was well posted on the events). During first controlled chain reaction at University of Chicago, the scientists working on the project were not sure, although they made numerous calculations, of the exact size of the critical mass that should not be exceeded to avoid an atomic explosion, that is, an uncontrolled chain reaction. In fact, we know now their calculations were definitely wrong, but because of their crude, to our standards today, technology there was no explosion. The people of Chicago were just plain lucky that there was no explosion; it was not because of the knowledge of scientists or governmental oversight. Our government only wanted to win a war, which it was deeply involved in, at the time, and they needed a powerful bomb.

This site

http://www.3rd1000.com/nuclear/cruc18.htm

gives a pretty good account of the events back then.

If you another more recent example of the supposed wisdom of our government, you might consider any one of a number of carcinogenic chemicals manufacturers are allowed to spell into our waterways or spew into the air.

You this is what “deregulation” is all about. It started with Reagan and has continued since then. Our government has allowed big business and large corporations to do just about what they want, like give us cancer. After all, we don’t have to worry about that disease to develop in our bodies for years after we’re exposed.

See what happens when you encourage me, Xeno, but thank you!

Wow! Talk about stereotyping people (as in putting people into a supposedly demeaning category) “people who have a little “half knowledge”, “and decide to preach it to the rest of the world” and “people believing theres aliens in Area 51, Mr Oswald ….” Then later, you mention “Miyan calendar” and “Roswell.” This is funny! You can’t be serious. If you are, this is dangerous.

By grouping me into those who have these thoughts, which you feel are silly, you’re placing yourself in a more exalted position. I don’t think I was talking about UFOs, the Kennedy assassination or the end-time, but you appear to give yourself credit to know my very thoughts or feelings (!?) about things I didn’t even mention. Be careful this approaches delusion and that is a possible symptom of perhaps other, more deeper problems. I don’t think you could possible distinguish me from Adam’s goat, other than perhaps to recognize the species difference – I hope!

Now closer to the crux of the matter: I referred you to a site that talked about the ignorance of “particle physicists” at the time when the U.S. was involved in a war. I referred you to that information to give an example how U.S. government’s interest at the time was to win a war above the interests of the people of Chicago. If you had read the information at that site, you would find that it occurred in the 1940s. I don’t know where you got “100 years ago.”

A Rachael Carson wrote “Silent Spring” in the late 1950s. She was one of several people who brought to the attention of the public, mind you, about the relationship of chemicals, specifically DDT and health. It was not the government or industry who did anything to protect people from harm. It was because of Carson and others like her at the time who brought their information to the attention of the public and then the government responded. I’m sure you read how DuPont has known for a long time that Teflon is dangerous to our health, but it was not until recently did they admit they knew its harmful effects, i.e. after that information became public. Why didn’t DuPont warn people about the possible hazards of their product? Do you suppose it’s because they don’t want people NOT to buy their product? Do you suppose it’s because DuPont’s goal is to make profit above all else, even the health of its clients and customers?

It was in early 1980s that medical journals, beginning with The New England Journal of Medicine, began telling its contributing authors to acknowledge “conflicts of interest.” Why? Because, among other issues, the pharmaceutical industry, at this time, began funding a lot of academic research (thanks to Reagan’s budget cuts, government funding for academic research was decreasing), and it so happens pharmaceutical-industry-funded research, more often than not, turn out to favor of the sponsor’s drug that scientists were investigating. Why? Hmmm I wonder. You don’t suppose money, funding, slants scientific results do you? Well, at least the editors of The New England Journal of Medicine and nearly all other medical journals thought it did. But, still, if you read the medical literature on this subject today in both England and the United States there is still a problem with industry funded research despite acknowledged conflicts of interest.

Now you can be an industrial apologist and favor, say, the use of DDT and Teflon. And, say it takes a whole lot of these chemicals to cause cancer. And, you can find on the net some folks to agree with you, especially among those people who argue spraying DDT in the Third World is better than the scourge of malaria. There’s even a book on that very topic. But, they will not deny the carcinogenic properties of DDT, nor will the people who support the use of Teflon products. That would be an all too obvious lie. And, furthermore the DDT supporters will not tell you that the Anopheles mosquito, the carrier of malarial microbe, develops a resistance to DDT, which means they’ll have to use greater quantities of the stuff more frequently for better results, which means greater harm to those people exposed.

Now, do I have to tell you about the FDA and its relationship with the pharmaceutical industry? I hope I don’t have to. There’s way too much information about all that in the press. And, I’m sure you heard about drugs being called off the market, and the money paid out by pharmaceutical industry due to litigations over the past 30 years.

I can refer you hundreds of sites (many from Associate Press releases) on the internet about this and more information about the industrial products, but apparently you’ll not read them. Instead, allow me to inform you the three ways industry influences government in their self interest, which means in their interest in making a profit, above all else, which they are legally bound to do for the sake of their stockholders and stakeholders.

First, of course, are campaign contributions. If I give you two hundred thousand dollars, I‚Äôm sure you would help me out of a bind, if need be. Second method is by lobbying Congress and the government. The amount spent here is incredibly enormous and each major industry in the United States pays millions of dollars in lobbying each year. And, third and most sneaky is through ‚Äúthink tanks.‚Äù This is not, mind you, a ‚Äúconspiracy.‚Äù You can read about all this in academic journals if you like. Foundations, such as the Heritage Foundation, the Manhattan Institute and American Enterprise Institute (AEI)is funded by Olin Foundation, which funded by corporations, and others as well as by corporate dollars themselves. These think tanks write books (remember Charles Murray‚Äôs “The Bell Curve”? It was brought to you by AEI) not only for public dissemination but also to the government to influence Congressmen and other political elite; they hold conferences, seminars, dinners and luncheons for politicians and political elites; sponsor literature hold press rallies for that literature which favor their interests, which means their funder‚Äôs interest But, you will not see corporate dollars go to the Institute of Policy Studies, because they, to put it crudely, want to corporations interests to lie below the interests of the people.

See, the point is, we live in a supposed democracy and in that democracy corporations have, over the last 100 years, gained the same rights as individual citizens, despite their overwhelming capabilities and resources. And, at the same time, for the benefit of stockholders corporations are bound above all else, including the health and well-being of even their clients, to make a profit.

My apologies for this rather crude and quick response, but I hope you understand my argument a bit better and not stereotype me. That’s insulting.

lordhaxor. thanks very much, Ill come to you in a minute.

Ann, You have done yourself and me a great disservice by not reading my post properly. Thankfully it still remains here, so I can quote it. You claimed I said that “decide to preach it to the rest of the world‚Äù and ‚Äúpeople believing theres aliens in Area 51, Mr Oswald ‚Ķ.‚Äù Then later, you mention ‚ÄúMiyan calendar‚Äù and ‚ÄúRoswell.‚Äù This is funny! You can‚Äôt be serious. If you are, this is dangerous.”

Well Ann, I did, but if you had read it properly you would have seen I actually said “its this type of view” note the keyword there Ann? “type”. The ethos of my post was obviously lost on you, as I maybe foolishly believed that the comment I made about the Miyans highlighted the stupidity of posts made on a half knowledge. Maybe that part was lost on you, and maybe I underestimated the level of reasoning that the regular readers here have. If thats the case I am sorry.

The 100 years ago comment (and now I am confused as to how you get mixed up with my coherently worded first post) I thought was obvious. Its not, so Ill explain what I was saying in simple form, then you can go back re-read it and hopefully understand.

You originally mentioned about chemicals in the water etc causing cancer, I merely made the observation that these chemicals were not present 100 years ago, and in those days people died earlier on average than they do today (simply saying, if there are chemicals in the water now, and we are living longer than we ever have in human history on average, surely we cant be all bad as a society, and those chemicals are really a moot point)

I hope you dont mind if I dont pick holes in every sentence you’ve written, I am short on time tonight. But let me just qoute a few comments you made:

“much information about all that in the press”
“Rachael Carson wrote ‚ÄúSilent Spring‚Äù in the late 1950s.”
“There‚Äôs even a book on that very topic”

Now what strikes me as a common theme throughout your post, is the fact that you base your entire theories about the Hadron Collider on what you have read (or think you have) that is very different to understanding particle physics and having an experience of it. If I went back in time 200 years and showed someone a TV they would probably be scared, this would be due to lack of understanding, and whilst the Hadron Collider is not as an extreme example, the people that are doing the scare mongering are basing their theories from half knowledge (as I said before)

Now you are probably wondering, what job does Mr Openbytes do (Ann doesnt like stereo typing lordhaxor, so dont presume Im male, as I say, I will come to you shortly.) No my job has nothing to do with science, no I do not work for the government……..So what does MR (ok Lordhaxor your stereo type was correct this time) do?

I am a Uni Grad with a Physics background. working as a coder for a software house. Just about as far from having an interest in government policy as you can get.

I didnt think your post was “….crude and quick response”, it just appeared to me that you either hadnt read or hadnt understood my previous post.

I hope this is clear now.

Right Ill now move onto our anti stereo typing Lordhaxor , who presumed just because I had an interest in particle physics I had to be a man. and he has the cheek to say I stereotype?

More to follow.

openbytes, you know I can say same about your comment as you said of mine, that you didn’t really address what I said. But, I don’t think that is the case. You just didn’t want to address the issues I brought up.

It made a comment, originally, about what your faith in government. I didn’t mention “climate change,” UFOs, end times etc. And who is “Hadron Collider”? Why should I care? And, your educational career and current employment means nothing to me, why should it? We’re talking about what is being said here! So, why did bring this up?

Your type argument is, “if you can’t win them over with facts, blind them with a lot of unrelated stuff.”

The original issue is your faith in government, which I feel is a bit … whatever. Like I said originally some day, you’ll wake up and smell carcinogenic petrochemicals in the air. (hint!) I didn’t intend to convince you, but I do suggest you read more than Hadron Collider to get a good grasp on our corporate American reality.

Lordhaxor, the debate is above people coming from a half knowledge and in that “making up facts to suit their own ends” you my friend proved that on your second line, by saying that I was claiming to be a scientist. Where did I say that?

Yes, I am sorry, I missread that.

Secondly, or maybe firstly, both you and Ann dont seem to like stereo types or in your case people who are narrow minded, yet you presumed I was male.

I didn’t knew your gender and the first thing a big part of people will use is the most used gender form for a personal pronoun and that is at last for my mothers language the male form. That is not stereotypeing but learned behaviour.

… and who are you to say that Im not right? I thought we had freedom of opinion? – Sure we have freedom of speech but in a normal debate it is not permitted by common etiquette to insult others for having another opinion. Example? The only black hole is the one between the ears of anyone who thinks that this experiment has ANY chance of causing problems. Take a look for a minute at the world we live in. For me, that is a personal attack not voicing an opinion.

If you want to believe the Hadron Collider will destroy the world then fine, you post your ideas, I post mine and people can make up their own minds.

Exactly, just that I do not believe that the LHC will do anything harmfull.

Which in my opinion is a cheap way of trying to stifle a view you dont want to agree with. Emotive words there, with the hope that you in some way can compare an opinion on the Hadron Collider with religious extremism. Very very poor.

By no means do I compare anything concerning the LHC to fundamentalism. I said, that stating “nothing will go wrong” and everyone elses concerns are insignificant because we “know” that nothing will happen, is fundamentalism. You don’t let others have their concerns as they are just ridiculous pipe dreams of anti technology hippies (Yes, exageration here, I don’t care).

This is what you claimed I said, what is wrong with you? is English not your first language? What I actually said was ‚Äúglobal warming is the fault of mankind.‚Äù (in the sense that it wasnt. – Good pass. It seems you had a stereotype going on here too. I am in fact not at all a native english speaker. For the second part, well yeah, I probably read that one wrong or did not put enough thought in it. I know that Earth has climatic changes and for me the actionism to suddenly turn into the green direction is kinda the wrong way, but anyway, I understood your sentence as in “mankind has no impact at all”, which is, after reading your words again, wrong. Sorry for that.

You claimed I said “…is 100% safe shows clearly, that you arn’t a scientist. Nothing is 100% sure in physics”
I never said that, I said “we are sure” of course there’s a chaos element of sorts with ANY experiment. But my reference to sure was in the context of countering the scare mongers who claim a quantum singularity will be formed that will swallow up the world, or the ones who believe that the Miyans have somehow predicted the switchon of the Hadron Collider. РPlease quote me correctly.

You got me there. You did not say 100% sure, but with your response you show exactly what I wanted to say in the first place. Why counter scare mongers with elitist and snotty responses?

Get a grip! If you needed brain surgery and you had the choice of it being done by a Surgeon or someone who had read a few articles on the subject, who would you trust?

Without going into Physics and explaining why it is safe (as I dont have the energy and Ive a feeling im talk to a 90% closed mind group)

But I understand, insulting and stereotypeing (90% closed minded, how do you come up with such numbers? Probably some statistical analysis of higher reaches, which normal human beeings don’t understand anyway, so no need to explain) is a lot easier, then coming down from your high horse (and that is, what I read from your text) and talk to people in a normal way. Explain, why it is safe, why scientists think, that they are sure etc. That would be a lot better, then firing back at the scare mongers with their own weapons.

You seem to take great pleasure in putting words into the psots of others, I have not ever been on a “high horse” if I have then its only because you have placed me there. As I said on Ann’s response maybe Ive overestimated the level of reasoning skills people who reading this blog have.

And that is not coming from the back of a huge horse? Sorry, but for me (and i would guess quite some other people, yet I will exclude them, as I do not know about them) that is exactly the definition of being on a high horse.

Is this a conspiracy one? If so I can then understand and move on quickly. I started posting on this thread because I thought people would like to hear the other side of the debate, as well as an “end of the world “one. Maybe I was wrong.

That is your decision. And if you would have read my first post, you would know, that we have the same opinion about the LHC and probably technology and science aswell.

Lordhaxor, you have really given me no challenge in responding to you. At least if you are going to try to engage me in debate, read my posts properly, if you cant understand them, at the very least quote them correctly. Oh and try not to stereotype again, lest you be called a hypocrite.

Yes, Mr. teacher, I will try to grasp the infinite wisdom of your posts. If you throw stones be free of errors yourself.

Lordhaxor I forgot to mention, when you said “I will try to grasp the infinite wisdom of your posts.”

I really hope you do. But if you cant grasp the wisdom at least read and quote me correctly.