9 thoughts on “Why to Avoid Alkaline Water Machines”
What? People eat Dolphins?
That’s tantamount to cannibalism! They can ‘say’ seperate sonar sentences to four individual members of their group simultaneously. Talk about multi-tasking. I bet they could text well if they had opposable thumbs.
I wonder if there’s a Multi-tasking, Basking Shark?
What? I’m only asking.
If there was, people would probably hunt them too, fur their Multi-tasking Basking Shark Skin, hur!
Sorry, what was the question? Water? Yes, drink some every day. Ever seen The Flight of The Phoenix?
I think I’ve made my point. 😉
Seriously though, if you live in America, in some States at least, you’re far more likely to suffer from flouridosis.
Adding sodium flouride to the water supply was developed by The Nazis apparently, to make the prisoners docile. Sound familiar?
Flouride is also supposed to be a byproduct of aluminium production because of it’s affinity with it and makes it bio-accumulate in the brain, causing Alzeimer’s syndrome by all accounts.
Your house has copper pipes? I’m sure you could find studies proving that it’s bad for you too. It is known however, to be necessary for proper brain function, is typically deficient in the average diet like selenium from soil depletion and is included in most quality multi-vitamin & mineral supplements.
I don’t think platinum or palladium are though. Perhaps that says something, although it could be cost based. Monatomic gold is another ‘New Age’ supplement but I haven’t tried it. It’s supposed to make you immortal apparently.
Look up Bob Beck and immortal blood; quite interesting.
Anyway, you may still have lead pipes if you live in an old house.
I would go by your gut feelings so if you feel better just from drinking a different water than usual, it’s probably doing a whole lot more good than bad, (or what you normally drink is so bad that ‘poisoned’ water is still relatively good for you and a relief for your body). It’s all relative.
You could also visit a kenesiologist who should be able to tell you exactly what you’re lacking or toxic from, as may a regular blood test, of course.
The body has it’s own intelligence and your gut instinct is literally that. Your ‘aura’ or etheric and ketheric energy fields will know if what you ingest is in harmony with your system. This is why you throw up or spit out bad food or milk for example, before it even has a chance to go down.
You feel it in your mouth straight away. It turns your stomach because of the energetic sense of what it contains, as much as any organic sulphurous compounds or molecules given off by bacteria etc.
Tuna doesn’t turn my stomach (usually) but it’s obviously full of bacteria and stinks something rotten sometimes, if there’s any skin in it. Yuk!
Your physical reflex is to avoid further contact if you sense danger, whatever the trigger. It’s almost an emotional reaction sometimes, i.e. on another level of awareness or sensitivity. The sixth sense. The smell of fear….. 😛
Another clue is to hold the water in your mouth for a minute and then slowly swallow it, noting any reluctance to do so or slight tendency to gag. I find Cow’s milk, for example, incredibly easy to gulp down until I’m full, more than any other fluid, especially water first thing in the morning. Even Evian tastes metallic first thing in the morning and I don’t feel like drinking it. The most I can manage is a couple of mouthfulls.
Regarding platinum toxicity etc. perhaps take a break every few days or weeks and drink spring water instead for a few days, being mindful of the taste difference, if any.
This will also give you feedback if you suddenly feel better or worse than on the alkaline water.
Also maybe watch Dr. Bob Beck’s videos on YouTube regarding colloidal silver, blood electrolysis and cancer/fungal therapies.
If you think about it, how much actual platinum are you really going to dissolve from passing water over it? Does it even oxidise or ‘rust’? It seems to last for long enough in catalytic converters. Perhaps we should ban them, since we’re technically breathing minute quantities of it, probably in the same order as the water filters, if not more. Contrast this with drinking alcohol, smoking and breathing diesel fumes to put it in perspective.
I just started watching a decent looking YouTube video called….(cut & paste title below),
Shocking Water Filter Review & Comparison: Berkey, Doulton, Reverse Osmosis, etc.
Bottom line for me is, a healthy, exercising, regularly detoxing individual should have no issues as you’re doing so much to help yourself already that you’re practically immortal compared to most sedentary people and what you don’t eat is far more important than what you do. Only time will tell if platinum ions or whatever are harmful long-term so just do everything in moderation and stick to natural and organic wherever possible.
We should take into account just how much platinum from catalytic exhausts has been detected from dust collected from roads. Presumably we are all breathing this in, yet no one is concerned. Maybe they should be, who knows?
Hello, I am a cancer patient and have been drinking alkaline water from a machine in a health food type store for ~ 6 months. I have had bronchitis for 3 months and been on antibiotics 3 times. I am no longer coughing up mucus, but a cough and wheezing remain. I went to the doctor a 4th time for this yesterday. He gave me a shot, an asthma pump and a prescription called methylprednisolone. I will stop drinking alkaline water from a machine. Can you recommend a brand of naturally occuring alkaline spring water?
Anita, sorry to hear you are going through this. Keep working closely with the best doctor you can find for your cancer and your breathing issues; switching water type is not very likely to treat cough, wheezing, or cancer directly, but choosing a mild, naturally mineralized spring water is reasonable if it helps you feel more comfortable. Common types you might see for the “naturally slightly alkaline spring” idea include European and U.S. spring waters (for example, brands similar to Evian, Acqua Panna, or Icelandic‑style glacial/spring waters that I believe get their alkalinity from minerals in rock, not a machine). Hope that helps and good luck.
I’ve used the Jupiter Melody Ionizer for 5 years now. Due to ill health I had my chiropractor perform a hair analysis and I am WAY titanium toxic. I am very health conscious and the only way titanium is getting into me is thru the Jupiter Melody Ionizer with it’s titanium and platinum plates. Even setting it on purified water, it still goes over these plates. The discussions over for me, this ionizer is going in the trash.
I have always assumed that pure titanium and platinum are non toxic which is why they used as medical implants to repair bone etc. I have also assumed that all reports of toxicity are from contact with the salts of these metals. Another assumption is that low voltage electrolysis cannot cause disassociation of platinum and titanium at the electrodes. Maybe all these assumptions are wrong or maybe some of the previous posts are just scare mongering by vendors of alternative water purification systems. It does seem likely to me that if there were users of these alkaline water machines suffering metal toxicity there would be plenty of publicity about it as there was when some women claimed to have suffered platinum poisoning from silicon breast implants
What the effects of platinum on animals and the environment may be has not yet been researched very extensively. The only thing we know is that platinum will accumulate in the roots of plants after uptake. Whether eating platinum-containing plant roots can do any harm to animals and humans, is not yet clear.
My 2 cents. I have an Enagic K8 unit with a 3 stage pre filter and I still plan on changing the internal filter when required inside the unit. I get hair mineral analysis so far I have had three and it does not report back on titanium (analytical research labs). Maybe different labs do different testing?
The K8 allows me to clean the plates with citric acid for 3 hours, plus I reverse the polarity with beauty water for a few minutes every day which helps clear the plates of any buildup. Now my 2 cents on platinum or titanium toxicity from ionizers. If one were to buy an ionizer that so called (self cleans), or not bother with the citric acid cleaning cycles (recommended by Enagic to be done every 1-2 weeks or depending on water conditions), then yes it does seem that plates may be able to release some nano particles of platinum due to buildup of plates which may cause more heat then normal. As far as titanium release? Platinum would have to erode enough to expose the titanium, doesn’t seem likely to me but if it did one would have gotten plenty of platinum in the system by then. The manufacture if they do indeed test for platinum particles in the water do not test the machine after it has been neglected or so it is may be my opinion this seems so.
Follow the manufactures recommendations even if it seem overkill and if you your ionizer does not allow for a long cleaning cycle then maybe you should buy a deep cleaner for your ionizer. (allows you to pump citric acid and water through the ionizer continuously for as long as you like.)
Quick note on the qualities of the water: PH water produced by electrolysis is easily neutralized compared to natural PH water or PH water created by adding alkaline minerals. I do not consider the PH to be a major health factor. I eat my cooked vegetables, and take alkaline minerals as prescribed which will have a much greater effect on my PH.
The -ORP, micro-clustering and structuring of the water is much more relevant IMO.
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What? People eat Dolphins?
That’s tantamount to cannibalism! They can ‘say’ seperate sonar sentences to four individual members of their group simultaneously. Talk about multi-tasking. I bet they could text well if they had opposable thumbs.
I wonder if there’s a Multi-tasking, Basking Shark?
What? I’m only asking.
If there was, people would probably hunt them too, fur their Multi-tasking Basking Shark Skin, hur!
Sorry, what was the question? Water? Yes, drink some every day. Ever seen The Flight of The Phoenix?
I think I’ve made my point. 😉
Seriously though, if you live in America, in some States at least, you’re far more likely to suffer from flouridosis.
Adding sodium flouride to the water supply was developed by The Nazis apparently, to make the prisoners docile. Sound familiar?
Flouride is also supposed to be a byproduct of aluminium production because of it’s affinity with it and makes it bio-accumulate in the brain, causing Alzeimer’s syndrome by all accounts.
Your house has copper pipes? I’m sure you could find studies proving that it’s bad for you too. It is known however, to be necessary for proper brain function, is typically deficient in the average diet like selenium from soil depletion and is included in most quality multi-vitamin & mineral supplements.
I don’t think platinum or palladium are though. Perhaps that says something, although it could be cost based. Monatomic gold is another ‘New Age’ supplement but I haven’t tried it. It’s supposed to make you immortal apparently.
Look up Bob Beck and immortal blood; quite interesting.
Anyway, you may still have lead pipes if you live in an old house.
I would go by your gut feelings so if you feel better just from drinking a different water than usual, it’s probably doing a whole lot more good than bad, (or what you normally drink is so bad that ‘poisoned’ water is still relatively good for you and a relief for your body). It’s all relative.
You could also visit a kenesiologist who should be able to tell you exactly what you’re lacking or toxic from, as may a regular blood test, of course.
The body has it’s own intelligence and your gut instinct is literally that. Your ‘aura’ or etheric and ketheric energy fields will know if what you ingest is in harmony with your system. This is why you throw up or spit out bad food or milk for example, before it even has a chance to go down.
You feel it in your mouth straight away. It turns your stomach because of the energetic sense of what it contains, as much as any organic sulphurous compounds or molecules given off by bacteria etc.
Tuna doesn’t turn my stomach (usually) but it’s obviously full of bacteria and stinks something rotten sometimes, if there’s any skin in it. Yuk!
Your physical reflex is to avoid further contact if you sense danger, whatever the trigger. It’s almost an emotional reaction sometimes, i.e. on another level of awareness or sensitivity. The sixth sense. The smell of fear….. 😛
Another clue is to hold the water in your mouth for a minute and then slowly swallow it, noting any reluctance to do so or slight tendency to gag. I find Cow’s milk, for example, incredibly easy to gulp down until I’m full, more than any other fluid, especially water first thing in the morning. Even Evian tastes metallic first thing in the morning and I don’t feel like drinking it. The most I can manage is a couple of mouthfulls.
Regarding platinum toxicity etc. perhaps take a break every few days or weeks and drink spring water instead for a few days, being mindful of the taste difference, if any.
This will also give you feedback if you suddenly feel better or worse than on the alkaline water.
Also maybe watch Dr. Bob Beck’s videos on YouTube regarding colloidal silver, blood electrolysis and cancer/fungal therapies.
If you think about it, how much actual platinum are you really going to dissolve from passing water over it? Does it even oxidise or ‘rust’? It seems to last for long enough in catalytic converters. Perhaps we should ban them, since we’re technically breathing minute quantities of it, probably in the same order as the water filters, if not more. Contrast this with drinking alcohol, smoking and breathing diesel fumes to put it in perspective.
I just started watching a decent looking YouTube video called….(cut & paste title below),
Shocking Water Filter Review & Comparison: Berkey, Doulton, Reverse Osmosis, etc.
Bottom line for me is, a healthy, exercising, regularly detoxing individual should have no issues as you’re doing so much to help yourself already that you’re practically immortal compared to most sedentary people and what you don’t eat is far more important than what you do. Only time will tell if platinum ions or whatever are harmful long-term so just do everything in moderation and stick to natural and organic wherever possible.
We should take into account just how much platinum from catalytic exhausts has been detected from dust collected from roads. Presumably we are all breathing this in, yet no one is concerned. Maybe they should be, who knows?
Hello, I am a cancer patient and have been drinking alkaline water from a machine in a health food type store for ~ 6 months. I have had bronchitis for 3 months and been on antibiotics 3 times. I am no longer coughing up mucus, but a cough and wheezing remain. I went to the doctor a 4th time for this yesterday. He gave me a shot, an asthma pump and a prescription called methylprednisolone. I will stop drinking alkaline water from a machine. Can you recommend a brand of naturally occuring alkaline spring water?
Thanks
Anita
Anita, sorry to hear you are going through this. Keep working closely with the best doctor you can find for your cancer and your breathing issues; switching water type is not very likely to treat cough, wheezing, or cancer directly, but choosing a mild, naturally mineralized spring water is reasonable if it helps you feel more comfortable. Common types you might see for the “naturally slightly alkaline spring” idea include European and U.S. spring waters (for example, brands similar to Evian, Acqua Panna, or Icelandic‑style glacial/spring waters that I believe get their alkalinity from minerals in rock, not a machine). Hope that helps and good luck.
I’ve used the Jupiter Melody Ionizer for 5 years now. Due to ill health I had my chiropractor perform a hair analysis and I am WAY titanium toxic. I am very health conscious and the only way titanium is getting into me is thru the Jupiter Melody Ionizer with it’s titanium and platinum plates. Even setting it on purified water, it still goes over these plates. The discussions over for me, this ionizer is going in the trash.
I have always assumed that pure titanium and platinum are non toxic which is why they used as medical implants to repair bone etc. I have also assumed that all reports of toxicity are from contact with the salts of these metals. Another assumption is that low voltage electrolysis cannot cause disassociation of platinum and titanium at the electrodes. Maybe all these assumptions are wrong or maybe some of the previous posts are just scare mongering by vendors of alternative water purification systems. It does seem likely to me that if there were users of these alkaline water machines suffering metal toxicity there would be plenty of publicity about it as there was when some women claimed to have suffered platinum poisoning from silicon breast implants
What the effects of platinum on animals and the environment may be has not yet been researched very extensively. The only thing we know is that platinum will accumulate in the roots of plants after uptake. Whether eating platinum-containing plant roots can do any harm to animals and humans, is not yet clear.
Read more: http://www.lenntech.com/periodic/elements/pt.htm#ixzz3bq6ZPHSh
Health risk evaluation
There is no convincing evidence for sensitization or for other adverse health effects following exposure to metallic platinum.
http://www.euro.who.int/__data/assets/pdf_file/0015/123081/AQG2ndEd_6_11Platinum.PDF
My 2 cents. I have an Enagic K8 unit with a 3 stage pre filter and I still plan on changing the internal filter when required inside the unit. I get hair mineral analysis so far I have had three and it does not report back on titanium (analytical research labs). Maybe different labs do different testing?
The K8 allows me to clean the plates with citric acid for 3 hours, plus I reverse the polarity with beauty water for a few minutes every day which helps clear the plates of any buildup. Now my 2 cents on platinum or titanium toxicity from ionizers. If one were to buy an ionizer that so called (self cleans), or not bother with the citric acid cleaning cycles (recommended by Enagic to be done every 1-2 weeks or depending on water conditions), then yes it does seem that plates may be able to release some nano particles of platinum due to buildup of plates which may cause more heat then normal. As far as titanium release? Platinum would have to erode enough to expose the titanium, doesn’t seem likely to me but if it did one would have gotten plenty of platinum in the system by then. The manufacture if they do indeed test for platinum particles in the water do not test the machine after it has been neglected or so it is may be my opinion this seems so.
Follow the manufactures recommendations even if it seem overkill and if you your ionizer does not allow for a long cleaning cycle then maybe you should buy a deep cleaner for your ionizer. (allows you to pump citric acid and water through the ionizer continuously for as long as you like.)
Quick note on the qualities of the water: PH water produced by electrolysis is easily neutralized compared to natural PH water or PH water created by adding alkaline minerals. I do not consider the PH to be a major health factor. I eat my cooked vegetables, and take alkaline minerals as prescribed which will have a much greater effect on my PH.
The -ORP, micro-clustering and structuring of the water is much more relevant IMO.