Here is an update in 2024 on Abigail and Brittany Hensel:
Abby Hensel’s Marriage
Abby Hensel, one of the conjoined Hensel twins, got married to Josh Bowling, a nurse and U.S. Army veteran, in 2021. [1][2][3][4][5] The news of Abby’s marriage was recently revealed and sparked a lot of online attention and comments. [3][4][5] In response, Abby and Brittany posted TikTok videos addressing the “loud” internet comments and “haters”, saying they have “always been around” and that the “haters” are still fans. [3][4][5]
The Hensel Twins’ Background
Abby and Brittany Hensel are dicephalus conjoined twins, meaning they share a body but have two separate heads. [1][2][3][4][5] They first gained national attention when they appeared on “The Oprah Winfrey Show” in 1996. [1][2][3][4][5] The twins later starred in the TLC reality series “Abby & Brittany” which documented their lives, including graduating from college and pursuing careers as teachers. [1][2][3][4][5]
When the twins were born in 1990, their parents decided against separation surgery as doctors said the chances of both surviving were low. [1][2] Abby controls the right arm and leg, while Brittany controls the left. They share most organs below the waist and have separate hearts, brains, and other key organs. [1][2][3][4][5]
In summary, the key update is that Abby Hensel, one of the famous conjoined Hensel twins, got married in 2021, which recently gained significant public attention that the twins have addressed on social media.
For this update April 2020, Abby and Brittany Hensel had a birthday recently on March 7th. Theirs as well as all other schools are closed due to the virus pandemic until May or later. We hope they are well and that they follow precautions to stay healthy.
In 2019, the twins were teaching full time at an elementary school in Minnesota. Before getting that job they had been in the media spotlight with a reality show, Abby & Brittany on TLC when they were 22-years-old. That show premiered on August 28, 2012 and ran until October 2, 2012. In the last episode, Abby & Brittany prepare for their first job in the real world. Around February 12, 2018 they started a new job as 5th grade teachers.
Abigail and Brittany Hensel. Image use for News Reporting by True Strange News.
After returning from their post-college adventures, conjoined twins Abby and Brittany Hensel excitedly shopped and prepared for their first day of school as fifth grade math teachers. As their mother remarked, when they were younger, the twins each wanted separate careers from the other, but are now thrilled about embarking on their new shared career. The school is as equally excited to have the twins as part of their staff.
Abby and Brittany Hensel are officially hired as elementary school teachers! After graduating from college and a year off touring Europe, these two incredible girls are preparing to take their first big step into the real world.
The Hensel twins have been working as teachers, both love their jobs teaching math.
Abigail and Brittany Hensel. Image use for News Reporting by True Strange News.
While one of them is teaching and writing, the other one tries to answer as many questions as she can….
In a Discovery Channel interview, they said that they would like to get married someday and to have kids.ย The Hensel Twins turned 18 in 2008. Video updated new link to YouTube, June 9, 2018.
A set of twins who share the same body have celebrated their 18th birthday in the United States. Abigail and Brittany Hensel from Minnesota … have two hearts, and two spinal chords, but share the same torso have lived their lives side by side.
The teens who enjoy swimming, playing the piano and recently got their drivers’ licenses said they had no intention of being separated.
The girls have beaten the odds and doctors’ expectations to reach their milestone. It is believed there are only four sets of twins who share the same torso and have survived into adulthood. And they are on track to graduate from university, and hope to have a family of their own one day.
“We want to be mums, but haven’t thought how it would work,” Abigail said. The girls passed their driving exams with two separate licenses and two separate tests. Abigail worked the pedals, and Brittany used the indicators and they both held the steering wheel.
Their parents, nurse Patty, and carpenter Mike 48, decided not to have the twins separated at birth despite the risks. “From the first time we saw them we thought they were beautiful,” she told the Sunday Mirror. –telegraph
Like many twins they have very different personalities and tastes – even more so now they are teenagers. Abigail, the feisty, stubborn one, likes orange juice for breakfast while Brittany, the joker of the family, will touch only milk.
Abigail loves pink and all things girly but Brittany prefers purple, multi-coloured hair and wearing unusual hats, and now they have turned 16 they love to experiment with makeup and clothes and giggle about which boys they like.
But that is where the similarity with other teenage twins end. For Abigail and Brittany Hensel are conjoined, sharing one body fused at the torso. Each controls just one side of the body, and yet remarkably this has not prevented them leading a full, active and happy life.
Displaying an astonishing co- ordination which has stunned doctors, they play the piano -with Abigail taking the right-hand parts and Brittany the left – and enjoy sports such as bowling, volleyball, cycling, softball and swimming.
And on their 16th birthday they passed their driving test; a mind-boggling feat of teamwork with each twin using one arm to control the steering wheel. Brittany explains: ‘Abby does the pedals and the gear shifter. I take over the blinkers and the lights. But she likes driving faster than me.’
Abby & Brittany Hensel are two vivacious, funny and outgoing girls on the brink of their 22nd birthday and a quickly approaching college graduation. {ElmersUnrealSite}
“Two headed” conjoined twins Abigail Loraine Hensel and Britanny Lee Hensel had a short documentary about their lives on The Learning Channel. It is not easy to be born sharing a single body with your other twin and they are incredible that they had tried their best in leading a normal life. Here are some photos of the Hensel twins which peers into some of the moments in their lives.
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Abigail and Brittany Hensel. Image use for News Reporting by True Strange News.
Abigail and Brittany Hensel. Image use for News Reporting by True Strange News.
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But the girls are more than curiosities. Their smiling faces and apparent good health seem a rebuke to the current medical trend of trying to separate, via surgery, ever more complexly conjoined twins–a trend that often means sacrificing one child so the other can live “normally.” And their tale of lives unpunctuated by solitude has much to teach all of us about the real meaning of individuality and the limitless power of human cooperation.
Conjoined twins are a rare event in the world’s delivery rooms. They occur about once in every 50,000 births, but 40% are stillborn, and, curiously, 70% are female. Conjoined twins are always identical: the product of a single egg that for some unknown reason failed to divide fully into separate twins during the first three weeks of gestation. In the U.S. there are perhaps 40 live cases each year; ordinary identical twins are 400 times as common. – {time}
Abigail and Brittany Hensel. Image use for News Reporting by True Strange News.
Hensel twins 5 life photo at the pool
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I ran into them recently in Grand Marais, MN. It was the most amazing. They bounced out of their van with several other kids, laughing, bouncing, talking, and just having a ball. They were obviously accepted as [one] of the group. They must have outstanding parents. I feel honored to have witnessed their lives.
BUT, you have some information wrong: Brittany and Abigail are NOT the oldest conjoined twins in the world. The oldest conjoined twins in the world are Ronnie and Donnie who turn 58 this year.
I am watching Abby & Brittnay on TLC, I’ve seen this before. The girls seem so amazing, as does all their family and I would love to let them know I think they are a wonderful example of a family, makes me cry happy tears watching them because I can almost feel their strength and love just from watching this show.
I wish them the best of everything in life and I want to thank them for being who they are.
I’m watching the TLC rerun of the girls 16th birthday. I came on here looking for a recent update on where life has taken them and I found first hand the very reason Abigail and Brittany and their mother chose to be so closed off. Of course closing yourself off obviously didn’t stop some of the ignorant and disrespectful conversations produced here.
So, here’s hoping one day Brittany and ABigail see the people like myself who just are amazed at God’s handiwork and miracles! You each are an inspiration to us less fortunate. It makes me think of what my mom always tells me, “God loves us to much to hurt us intentionally and is too wise to make a mistake.” We can’t see the big picture of our lives or anyone elses and so we don’t know the purpose of “Why”, but if we are patient and understanding it all eventually makes sense and falls into place. I would be honored to know each of these girls personally! Maybe one day that will be possible.
With love to all,
Bea
This is in response to Jamie specifically and also for everyone-
Before going on I would like you to get rid of all your biases towards religion and think logically if this makes sense.
If you would go to this website: “http://www.existence-of-god.com/” you will see that there is much evidence to support the existence of God.
But in disproving a completely naturalistic philosophy (which I think you believe in), please follow my progression of thought: we know that in a completely scientific view of things that there are causes and then effects based on those causes. You probably believe in the big bang theory correct? Well what caused the big bang? If you are able to explain that, then tell me what caused that cause and so on. You see, eventually you have to stop; it does not make sense that there are an infinite amount of causes and effects; this is where a supernatural being comes into play (God). Since God is supernatural he is above the natural laws of this universe and He has and will always exist, something that is supernatural and hard to comprehend. Also, if you believe in evolution than you have NO MEANING in life, you just randomly came into existence with no purpose. I view this as a very pessimistic life to live and wonder how people like you think what happens after you die…do you think you just cease to exist (scary by the way)?
If you look at the website, it will explain this much better than I can. I am a Christian and I DO have something to live for. I hope that in possibly proving to you that a God DOES in fact exist, that you will start seeking a religion, and I must tell you that Christianity is the ONLY WAY. No other religion or combination of religions will get you to heaven, where I truly pray to see you.
I too am a Christian and I just believe. I don’t need to know how God works or try to analyze the bible. I didn’t grow up going to church and I don’t remember when I started to believe, I think I just always did believe and I feel very fortunate that I do feel this way. I’m not sure how I could go through this world if I didn’t feel what I do.
I do believe in evolution in a way, in God’s way, that evolution is by God’s hand, his plan in life and I can’t explain evolution, nor can I explain God. I believe that people have to come to God in their own way, people can’t necessarily read something then change their view, although I love the fact that you are passionate and wish to spread the word of God as all Christian are asked to do and I feel it’s important to pray for everyone, pray that they will find their way to God and if they don’t I pray that God will be the loving God I believe he is and save those who have a pure heart whether they believe or not because growing up in a family that does not believe in God happens in so many homes and those people not being allowed to find God because of their family’s beliefs don’t always know where to turn. I did not grow up learning about God, I grew up hearing how the churches were only interested in collecting money and when I grew up and chose to go to church I was always joked on about it and made to feel like my beliefs were foolish but I didn’t let that stop me. But not everyone has the ability to go against their parents and it’s easier just to go along than to stand up for your beliefs, which is sad so I hope that anyone who feels lost, feels like they want to know more about God chooses to do so because it has been very fulfilling to me to believe in God and be a Christian through the easiest and toughest times in my life and I’ve been so far down I didn’t think I’d ever be able to make it but I have because of my beliefs.
I am an identical twin and my twin and I are very close. Singleton’s just don’t understand how twin’s work. I find it interesting that they say “I” like this or “I” do that. My twin and I say “we” all the time. Sometimes, even now that I am an adult, I will say “we…” and someone will be “who is we?” My twin and I know what each is thinking and love each other as ourself. We always shared everything and still do. Twins are special people. We always say if everyone was a twin, the world would be a better place. When it comes to all the big stuff in life Brittany and Abigail will figure it out like me and my twin do, together, cuz that’s what twins do!
Susan,
Have you read the posts in here, people talking about God making these girls? Does it offend you because of the subject being about God? There is discussion about whether God is real because of the views some people believe there is no God because He wouldn’t have allowed these girls to be born as one. There is discussion about evolution going on too, does that offend you?
Why aren’t you saying anything about people calling these girls a new species? That’s offensive, but talking about God being kind and loving, that offends you?
To Matilda,
I completely agree with you that simply posting a proof of God and why Christianity is true will not cause someone to become Christian, we must pray that the Holy Spirit will work in their hearts to have them accept the Gospel.
I am not quite sure how you use the word “evolution” though.
And I think I should clarify something…when you say that you believe in God (hopefully that Jesus is God because hundreds of religions may believe in a God but not the correct one such as Judaism), I get the impression that you do not know why you believe in Jesus. Well I think you should have a sound basis for your belief in Jesus. Like if I were to ask you the following question: “Why do you believe in Christianity?โรรน how would you answer?…………….Well, the answer should be that you believe in Christianity because it is TRUE. For me one of the most convincing evidence that Jesus was and is who He claimed to be (God), is that manuscripts written thousands of years before He was born prophesied specific details about Jesus, such as him entering Jerusalem on a donkey, being betrayed, and even giving the exact amount of silver he was betrayed for (I think it was 40 pieces of silver), these all came true, as seen in the New Testament. You could look up other reasons why He is the Messiah online I’m sure with verses.
I congratulate you for how you persevered through life even though you where ridiculed, but better to be ridiculed on this earth and spend eternity in heaven than to become the most powerful person in the world and spend eternity in hell.
To Susan the reason I am “babbling” about God is because after reading Jamie’s post I wanted to present information that may help her see the truth, especially since it is more important than anything that she know this truth of Christianity.
I get what you’re saying. I believe in the Holy Spirit, I believe in Jesus, in God, the whole trifecta. I know why I believe, I believe because I have God in my heart. I knew as a child, way before I ever stepped inside a church that there was a God without being told who God is.
I don’t question why I believe, nor will I. I don’t follow anyone else’s beliefs, I don’t believe because someone tells me I need to and I don’t believe because of any passage in the Bible. I just believe and to me that kind of belief feels pure and feels right.
I don’t feel I need to be able to answer why I believe in any other way than saying “I just do” but if that’s not a good enough explanation I can’t be of any help, it’s my explanation, it’s how I feel and I am the only one who has to understand that. I’m not being angry, tone doesn’t come through well in type ๐
Just as these twins in this forum, I don’t question why they were born as one, I just believe God has his plan but I don’t need to know what that is, but I believe this was no mistake, these girls are anything but a mistake, they have so much strength and are happy and seem to have a wonderful family and that is what matters.
I think the sensation of certainty is an emotion. We feel it sometimes when we are right and it can also be felt just as strongly sometimes when we are wrong. Time will show you this if you keep track of when you feel something is absolutely true. Keep a journal and in a few years, perhaps sooner, you will notice that our feelings of certainty are not always correct. Sometimes they are!
i think the girls are very bright and adorable they r normal girls who argue disagree on things i love that they do not let their condition bother them and their friends enjoy them that is a good thing abby and brittany keep up the good work and ur dreams will come true love u from brooklyn
To Matilda,
If you are meaning that you believe in Christianity just because it โรรบfeelsโรรน right someone like Xeno could easily argue that millions of other religious people who do not believe in Christianity sincerely believe that their religion is right because they feel that it is right. Such a person could ask: Why is your feeling that Christianity is right, correct while a Muslim’s feeling that their religion is correct, wrong? What I am trying to say is that sincerity does not equal truth. Billions of people could all be completely sincere that their religion is true and end up in hell because they were wrong (An example would be some suicide bombers). If this is not what you mean then I am sorry, but if you do believe in Christianity just because it “feels” right, then I suppose that we should agree to disagree (Though I would pray that you change your mind) Iโรรดm sorry if I offended you.
Sincerely,
Jonathan
Jonathan, you say that every religion but christianity is wrong, have you studied every religion and how can you prove yours right and theirs wrong? Also, if your God is so great and loving, why would he condem billions of people to hell simply for living in the wrong part of the world where they did not learn christianity. If Hitler were christian would he get into heaven while truely wonderful people who give everything but happen to believe in a different God go to hell? If this is true I’m sure heaven would be kind of a crappy place. Why is the christian God so jealous he would damn people to hell forever just for not knowing him? christianity makes God sound like an abusive husband or father love me or suffer. I’m a human who has major faults but i would never damn someone to eternal suffering. I would send them there for hundreds of years as punishment or whatever fit the bill. but going to hell forever just for not believing in Jesus is cruel and I don’t think I could love someone like that even if they did create me.
If you want evidence of why Christianity is true you can simply look it up online (I already gave evidence in previous posts and to no avail…so I will not repeat myself). But all the religions of the world do not HAVE to be studied in order to prove they are false, because Christianity has a main doctrine that Christianity is the ONLY way to heaven (It is in the Bible repeatedly) and therefore by proving Christianity true all the others are wrong. And to your questions of why would a supposedly loving God condemn so many to hell for eternity, this is my defense: we are all born into sin and everyone has sinned, meaning that we all are JUSTLY deserving of God sending all of us to hell, but God LOVINGLY gave His holy Son (Jesus) as a sacrifice so that Jesus would take our place by dying on the cross for us (he also resurrected from the dead conquering sin) and save those who believe in Him. It may still seem unfair to you and to many others but in reality it is fair.
I will most likely not respond to your next post, sorry.
With all due respect, that is the least persuasive argument I have ever read on the internet.
Christianity is the true religion because (a) some websites on the internet say it is, and (b) the main tenet of Christianity says that it is the path to heaven.
Am I getting this right?
I don’t know what you do for a living, but whatever it is, do not go into advertising.
To Xeno,
What you said about being sincere and wrong applies to you and your trust in Darwinism though you may base it on some faulty evidence that could be proven wrong.
I question why my belief, why I believe the way I do seems to be so wrong to you. Is it that you feel everyone should feel like you do? I mean because in a previous post you actually said what my answer should be if asked why I believe. My beliefs should not be questioned or analyzed at all by anyone, especially someone I don’t know. You don’t know me, you don’t know my heart and even if you did you have stepped over the line telling me that I am wrong.
I am a very good person, God fearing and caring and loving and considerate and I obey God’s laws and I am empathetic, I give even when I only have enough for myself, I have sacrificed eating in order for others to eat. I have been through hell being abused as a child living with my family telling me it was my fault, abused by two family members and friends of my family, I forgave those people for what they did even though it makes me sick to this day and has definitely ruined my life but I don’t question God why me, I am writing a book about the abuse and the effects of abuse and I am hoping it will help others to get through abuse or see abuse and be able to stop it and help people to open their eyes to what is happening even though it’s hard for them and make them do something to help an innocent child escape abuse and a life of regrets and sadness and fear. But I’m not telling anyone how to feel or what to feel but I’m writing the book to be supportive and show that monsters live behind even the nicest of doors and they are not alone and they don’t deserve to be abused and that there are people out there who care and will help and I’m in pain writing my book, it hurts to drag up the memories but I KNOW I have to do this because if I don’t then I went through hell for nothing and I’m just as guilty as being an abuser if I do nothing to help stop innocent children from abuse.
So, what is it you’ve done as a good Christian other than telling people they don’t believe right? This isn’t a contest about who believes more, or better. You can’t tell me that I am wrong in the way I feel and what I know, if I know anything, I know my beliefs and I know that God is kind and God does not look at me and think that I’m not believing in him the right way because it’s not your way.
I get that you are passionate about your beliefs but wars have started over religious beliefs and people trying to control how others believe and why, so if you continue to tell everyone they are wrong then you are not going to be very influential in spreading the word of God. Jesus did not force anyone to believe, or tell them they were wrong in the way they believed.
I know my beliefs and my heart and so does God and that’s all that matters. So you know what, I am offended, the more I think about it the more you’ve offended me.
I was married to a man who told me how to think and feel and look and dress and act and talk and tried to force me to change my religion and he was abusive and he was cruel and he had to be in control over everything in my life and when it came to him hurting me because I wouldn’t change religion that sickened me the most, not the sexual abuse, not the verbal abuse, not him smashing walls and breaking down doors to get to me, but the fact that he told me I had to change religion and I stood up to him about that, I was weak and I was broken for so many years suffering abuse at the hands of my family then at his hands and he was so slick, so kind and gentle and he was able to manipulate me so well because he got me when I was broken and he just continued the abuse and told me I had no one who care and that was the only true thing he ever said to me so I had nowhere to turn other than God and God is who got me through such horrible abuses.
He was cruel and I had no one to turn to, he ran my friends off years ago, but I kept turning to God and he was always there for me even though I suffered so many atrocities against me but I never gave up on God so I tell you what, you can think I’m wrong because I feel the way I do all you want, but I am strong and I have gotten through it because of my beliefs so if you think that I’m going to let you or anyone tell me I’m wrong about the way I feel then you probably need to take a look in the mirror and think about all the things you don’t know and learn how to not put people down and tell them they’re wrong about the way they feel about God or any other God someone may believe in because you don’t know it all and you have no idea who you’re talking to. Do you think for one minute about the person you’re writing to and wonder if what you’re saying might just be hurtful and that maybe I’ve been through enough, had enough damage in my life, enough people abusing me and telling me I have no right to believe the way I do and be abused for my beliefs and be abused just for the hell of it.
Do you know that you’re talking to someone who has forgiven the monsters that abused me as a 9,10,11 year old girl and emotionally abused me for years and years and would force me to do so many things that are unspeakable then tell me I was at fault and that I don’t matter and I deserved what I got.
Do you know you’re talking to someone who not once has given up on God even though it seems He gave up on me? So what do you think? You think if I don’t believe like you do then I’m wrong? Too bad, I’m a Christian and I’m an American so I have every right to think and feel and believe and serve the God of my choice in my way without having to feel like I’ll be persecuted and that wasn’t always the way it was, even being a Christian American living in America, I was not allowed the freedoms of this country and my God by my own family so would you like to tell me again how I’m wrong, how what I feel and believe is just so wrong that you need to tell me how I should feel, think and believe?
Hi Johnathan,
Good point about people with different religious views all being certain they are correct. I may be wrong.
I may also float away to the moon tomorrow because my thoughts create an anti-gravity bubble… but I highly doubt it.
Scientists spend a lot of time looking for faults in the evidence and correcting their views when they find faults. This is how science has progressed. I mean, face it, science works. Otherwise, these people leaving comments would have no Internet with which to profess their disbelief in science! (Ironic, isn’t it?)
Religion works as well, otherwise it would not still be around. It works in many ways. It provides people with social support, a sense of belonging to a group, emotional strength, inspiration, ease from fear of mortality, and it provides moral guidance for life decisions.
Belief in Jesus is much older than belief in Evolution, but ancient religious texts are all notably poor at explaining our detailed biology and the diversity of life on earth. We have learned a great deal since the inventions of things like microcopes, telescopes, electricity, programmable computers and atomic energy.
Science has a more detailed explanation of the possible origins of life. If you are interested in how life can appear on earth without [direct manipulation by] god, check this out: Life May Have Come From Hydrothermal Vents
I saw the documentary on TLC of Abby & Brittany,
It was great! It is very obvious that they are two separate people. When I watch them I see 2 individuals just wrapped in one skin. I kept thinking,COOL,esp. how they work as a team!!! And how we with individual bodies have such difficulty mastering the concept of teamwork. We all have a purpose in life, each with our own obstacles to overcome, they are no different than people with individual bodies with exception that they did not allow their obstacle to limit themselves,as we with the individual body do allow obstacles to be a hindrance limiting our growth as a person & in life!! Not many can teach us these things as these young ladies have done. I am in awe with admiration,respect
and envy of these two ladies for what they have achieved!!!! WOW, I know their parents are proud!!!! I feel so inferior to them.
Sincerely,
Roxanne
You want me to answer your questions but that would only cause you more harm for how I would answer them (Not in the way you would like). But you do not answer me questions or prove my thinking to be wrong.
But I will answer a few of the questions you asked (rhetorical or not): “So, what is it youโรรดve done as a good Christian other than telling people they donโรรดt believe right?”…..I do not believe I am “good” and that is the WHOLE reason why I need a savior(Jesus) who died on the cross for my sins and rose again because man if inherently evil (the doctrine of original sin). Ephesians 2:8-9 says that it is by grace we have been saved, through faith and not by works. Though good works naturally come as a result of being a Christian. I may have done “good” things as you say but that does not prove I am a Christian. I do not want you to believe exactly as I do, I want you to be ASSURED of your faith, and WHY it is true. Though God is the great Counselor who comforts us through hard times, that is not why we believe in Him.
And now I will give you my life story to either amplify, diminish, or destroy my credibility (most likely it will diminish my credibility because of stereotypes of age). I am about 16ยฌฮฉ years old and in eleventh grade. Maybe to add to my reliability I will say that my GPA for this school year fluctuates between a 4.4286 and a 4.5714 (I am not saying this to boast (do not think I memorized that either (I checked)). Why would it matter? You do not know me.) I have always gone to Christian schools my whole life. I have been raised in a Presbyterian church my whole life (except before I was one year old or something, used to be Catholic but my parents changed) I do not agree with EVERYTHING my church says but I do agree with its way of thinking for that most part. It has been required that I take a religion class each school at the school I am going to and right now I am taking world religions and I have been taught (logical) how other religions and world views such as scientism (not scientific by the way, I prefer the word naturalism) are wrong while Christianity remains true and WHY it is. Of course you are thinking that I have not had enough life experience and do not understand the world, (maybe Iโรรดd like to think it werenโรรดt true) but I think I have grasped much of Christianity after about seven years of religion classes. I base my beliefs on reasoning as you have seen and because of this I never doubt the truth I have come to accept.
Now I have to say that I most likely will not answer your next post (Though I will read it) because I see that we have different views and I do not think this is getting anywhere. I am not angry at you or anything like that. I am sorry again for hurting you.
Thank you for presenting your responses in a clear, logical way! I’m proud of you, and glad to call you my brother. Continue in Christ and His everlasting love,
~=P~
PS- continue to pray for the Holy Spirit to move in other’s hearts
You do not understand Christianity (not “Jesusism”, please) and therefore cannot speak for it. I will not explain to you why what you about it is wrong.
When you said “Face it, science works” I agree but science, of course, has its limitations. For example: can anyone scientifically prove that I view the color green as you do? For all you know I could view green as your red and your red as my green (see science has its limitationsโรยถthink about it). And if you want to use science, then you must realize that science points more to a Christian view of the world than to a Naturalistic view of the world(i.e. that all that exists in world can be reduced down to energy and matter and that no supernatural exists) And again if you do not believe in a supernatural being that created the universe than you must believe that at some point in time that matter appeared out of nowhere(something supernatural that contradicts the view of naturalismโรยถironic) because you cannot explain what caused the Big Bang and what caused the cause of the Big Bang going backwards indefinitely without the existence of some supernatural being (God).
Jonathan, I was a Christian for years. Many of my close friends still are.
Yes, your perception of color as compared to mine can be scientifically measured. This is done using colored dots of equal brightness and comparing your answers to mine and to other peoples. These sorts of tests are used to detect color blindness.
Which is more absurd, that matter appeared out of nothing, or that God appeared out of nothing and then created matter out of nothing?
[Reading this in 2019, I note that I was not always as kind and open minded as I aspired to be. God, whatever he may be, no doubt understands that we each develop through the years to a fuller understanding of our ignorance and humility in the face of the great mysteries. ]
I’m not telling you you are wrong, your beliefs are right, for YOU and no one should tell you otherwise, just as you shouldn’t tell anyone they are wrong in the way they believe. You know the saying you can bring a horse to water but you can’t make him drink? Well, your approach is why you are getting such a response, you can’t force someone to believe the way you do and you can’t bully someone into believing, you in fact will get the opposite result you are looking for, as you may have noticed with me. We were fine until you told me how I should answer a personal question of why I believe the way YOU say I should answer it, there is not just one answer for why anyone believes in anything.
No one has the right in this country to be forced to feel or believe in anything they don’t want to and you seem to have a pompous attitude that gives you the perceived right to tell people they are wrong about how they feel then tell them your way is the only way.
Do you ever study about Jim Jones? Not saying you’re anything like him, but if you study this man, see how he believed so truly what he felt, he had answers for why he believed and there was nothing anyone could say to tell him he was wrong and he needed to be right so badly and have followers he forced people by manipulation and fear and lies to believe in the way he believed, there was no choice in the matter, he forced his beliefs upon people, couldn’t, wouldn’t see other people’s sides at all and you are doing the same thing, I can see your point, I can understand your point and I’m cool with you feeling the way you do and don’t want to begin to change your mind about how you feel but I will tell you that your approach, your feeling of superiority, your attitude of I know it all, your praying for me to see the light because I am so lost according to you and have no idea what I’m talking about or feeling, that kind of approach is demeaning and I am glad that you will not respond, I no longer wish to talk to someone who continues to be so all knowing. I am going to stop my email notices to responses on here, and not come back to this site, so if you do choose to write back then others can read it but I will not.
I’m impressed that your GPA is so high, you should be very proud of yourself for putting so much time into your studies but a high GPA doesn’t mean that what you say and think is going to be more right than someone who has a lower GPA. It just doesn’t work that way and there are many people who had high GPAs and haven’t succeeded in life and those who had low GPAs and have succeeded in life. School is only one part of learning in life, the rest is learning while living your life and you may come to see you will learn so much more if you keep your mind open to listen to others and at times keep your mouth shut and not have to jump in to tell someone how wrong they are because you can learn things from people who have an opposite view than you do but if you choose not to listen then you choose not to learn. I’ve learned from you, I was open to what you were saying so that is why I continued to write to you but I think I’ve learned all I care to from you seeing as though you refuse to see anyone else’s side but your own.
Your age makes a bit more sense. At that age I thought I knew it all too and didn’t think twice about thinking my way was right. You’ll come to see later on in life, even though you don’t, won’t see it now, when you reflect upon your youth and your feelings that they have changed but if you don’t, and you continue to put this much pressure on people and continue to be this all knowing person who only sees your way then I think you’re going to miss out on a lot in life, there is not only one way in this world, one thought, one anything.
It’s about many people and many beliefs and interests, and loves, and wants and needs and it would be a sad world if everyone was forced to believe as you do or as any one person does. You need to open your mind a bit more, you don’t have to agree with anything you hear, not ever, but if you keep going through life thinking you know it all you will soon come to know you know nothing.
The fact that I’m in my 40’s I can tell you this from my own personal experience and speaking to many people who have said they thought they knew it all and it was a shock when they found out they knew nothing. A one track mind is never going to lead you to know very much. Choose to take my advice, choose not to, but I give it to you and don’t force it upon you. Do you see the distinction?
I think it’s great you will no longer write back to me, I prefer not to have to read anymore from you, I don’t like it, and when I talk about God with someone it gives me a good feeling, but with you it does nothing but give me a bad feeling. The definition of being crazy is doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different result. That’s what you’re doing, and if you truly want to spread the word of God to people don’t you think you ought to find a way to do it that doesn’t offend people? That’s just a thought from someone who doesn’t know it all but am able to say I don’t know it all and it’s okay, no one knows it all so anyone who says they do or knows their way is 100% right and others ways are wrong are going to be sadly let down.
Take care of yourself and I wish you the best in life and much happiness and much knowledge and much understanding of others and much ability to see more than one side to everything in life.
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While I agree that their love and dating life is really no one’s business, I cannot lie..i would looooooove to marry them…no questions asked… I would propose to them without delay! I grow tired of meeting girls that cause nothing but drama and play mind games. Abigail and Brittany are very mature young ladies…you don’t meet sweet and mature girls everyday.
What happens if one dies? Would the other automaticly die too? Or would the other just keep living with the other hanging thr? i dont mean this insulting but its a question
Depending on their wishes, doctors may try to separate the one who survives. This is usually difficult if they share a circulatory system, however. By the time that difficult decision must be made, significant advances will likely have been made in medicine, so it’s anybody’s guess.
I would hope that nothing ever happens to the twins. I wondered too what would happen if one died, but then I got to thinking that I should not dwell on such ideas. The simple fact is that the twins are alive and well and that is all there is to it! ๐ I would imagine that they currently try to avoid publicity, but it sure would be a pleasure meeting them someday. Many take life for granted and these two are living life to their fullest and that is the way to go!
I heard somewhere they like bowling? We could use a few extra bowlers here in Virgina. lol None of us are very good mind you, but would love the company! ๐ God Bless..
I would think that whoever marries them would have to love them both individually for their strengths and weaknesses and physically as one person (no offense intended). One site I found said that in simplified terms above the waist they are two people, below the waist, they function as one. It would be impossible to have a physical relationship separately and the more people you bring into a ‘relationship’, the more comnplicated emotions get. I would imagine they could get an exception to the ‘bigamy’ laws. I don’t think any judge in the world would deny them that.
However, the twins have come up with unique solutions to unique problems. I wonder how they are doing college. Who decides which classes to take, what major, etc? If they are going for two different degrees, that could take quite awhile.
I understand their need for privacy, but this blog is evidence that with a few exceptions, most people are positive in their support.
I’d just like to say a great big “hello” and all my best wishes to the girls! I heard they’re going to college. Their personalities remind me so much of my two granddaughters, both independent and very different, yet so much like each other. Keep up the good work, girls! Love ya both!
Sharon Caballero
Savannah, Ga.
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I hope the Hensel twins do really well in school and follow their dream. i am really amazed at how they work together in things that we all think they can’t do. I think they are really special girls and someday I would like to meet them!!
I don’t think that it will be too hard for them to find a guy that would marry them or live with them. Most guys dream of two girls giving them oral sex.
abby brittne if you want to phone me our home number is [deleted. – Sorry, I can’t be sure this is your phone number nick. To prevent people from prank calling this number and costing it a lot of money I have to remove it. You can post an email address if you like. – Xeno]
a few questions…
if one of them is nervous, does the increase in adrenalin affect the other as well?
if one heart failed would they be able to survive using the other?
if one stops breathing can they survive on one pair of lungs?
I for one am proud of these two in one girls for living a “normal” life. What is normal anyway. My life is simple in its complexity in comparison to these two girls. I only have microtia and microsomia. Facial birth defects. Congenital in nature, not genetic. I have to say that it seems there are a lot of people who have posted on this site that likely have far more struggles dealing with their “perfect” physical condition than the girls and myself and others with birth defects do. I took a chance and because my condition was congenital, my two children came out fine, they did not carry on my physical anomalies. Yes for the pervs, they are my children. I don’t mind people doing double takes or asking me questions. I am always glad to answer them and in so doing, they know the truth instead of some lame-brained theory of their own. You girls go on living life to its fullest! Kudos to you for ALL that you have done. I commend you both.
Sincerely,
James D. Lane
I think the whole thing is wrong. These parents have done a disservice to these children by keeping them together. How will they have sex? How will they major in different things in college? It just doesn’t add up and I am very sad for them.
You guys/gals just don’t get it. You would have that the parents aborted or knocked a hole in our heads so we would not have to “suffer” through life. All of the wonderful things that each of us who is not “like” the rest of you have contributed to society on ALL levels. I have a BS in Electrical Engineering and a Master’s in Mining Engineering and I am the lead engineer at the company I work for, all through accomplishment and qualifications. I didn’t even have any help through my life with “entitlements”. Haha.
Medically, I don’t think the girls could be separated without compromising the existence of one of them and no one has the right to decide who that should be.
If you can’t stand the sight or thought of the condition of these two then stop looking and stop thinking about it. Stop being so selfish to think that their lives should be adjusted or altered to satisfy what YOU think is best for them OR the world.
They wouldn’t have to worry about marrying the same guy. One would get married to the guy and then he would just have another chick on the side. Or they could be swingers and get off making the beast with two and a half backs. They could have a most lucrative future in porn, and you all know what I mean, the absolutely rare QP! You’d never be satisfied with DP ever again, perverts.
Xeno, most people’s beliefs in a higher being are obscured by blind faith and upbringing of a devout family. You can’t expect them to fully, or even attempt to understand evolution because they will simply pass it off as either a hoax or another act of “god.” Although if you ask who created god, they go off on a tangent and evade your questions.
Xeno, rock on. It’s good to know that the world is not completely devoid of rational, free thinking beings.
“Light”, Christians can say the very same thing to you…that your mind was obscured because of what you were taught in school or what your friends and family brought you up to believe (i.e. evolution).
Hi Katie,
Evolution does not diminish the wonder of humanity. We are not basically monkeys, but we are related. Why, then, are we so much more advanced in terms of our brain power? No one knows for certain. God? Alien intervention? Random series of accidents?
As for seeking a higher meaning, as I understand it, our brains evolved, over millions of years, an amazing power of extrapolation which works great most of the time. However, this ability we have also causes errors in our thinking. For example, it leads many people to believe that since we each have parents, there must be some first parent, some super-dad and/or mom who created everyone. This same kind of error in thinking caused the past wrong belief that there were fully formed men and women inside sperm cells. (see: Homunculus.)
We are related to monkeys, mollusks, mushrooms, mistletoe … there are many branches in the evolutionary tree but as far as we know, they all started from the same seed. For humans to not be related to some form of life on earth, there would need to be two or more separate events that caused life to begin. Possible, but I haven’t heard of anyone who believes that.
I understand what you’ve been saying throughout this thread, and I think it’s completely plausible. I think MOST people just aren’t yet ready or able to understand how DNA works and where we really come from because of our DNA. It’s a fascinating subject.
I certainly mean no offense to anyone posting comments on here, but what’s with all the sexual talk? I sure hope some of the comments that get posted on here don’t make their way back to the twins… Geeeezz.. There are indeed some really supportive and very nice comments on here, but unfortunately there are some others that should be removed entirely.
I forget what station I saw the documentary on, but hopefully I will catch it the whole thing again. It sure put me into thought the rest of the night… Shucks..i was up half the night because the story was so touching. It really makes you stop and think…very hard too! It reminds us of the many morals and lessons that so many of us have forgotten as we got older.
I could go on forever about it, but I will say here that these two girls remind us that life is such a precious gift, one not to be taken for granted!
In keeping with this doctrine, I have come here not to ask silly questions, but say this:
I see these twins no differently from any other person I have run into. I would treat them like I would treat anyone. Ok, so I would be excited to be able to talk to them! haha I can’t lie there! But other than that, they are just like the next person….
I hope to God that they have not been forced into go through medical tests and experiments or what not.
From what I have learned, they are better left conjoined. God intended them to be conjoined..they are doing just fine….and it looks to me like they can do some things twice as good because of God’s plan. ๐ Enough said. No more experiments or silly questions..
One of the questions I was not happy to see on the post was about the twins sex life and whether they would have one or two boyfriends.. Who cares? It’s not like it is our business anyway. Those topics are up to them and not for us to ponder.
Xeno..if I remember correctly, you run this page. I’d love to hear your comments on what i have said. I am not the best at explaining things the best way, so if you have things to add, please let me know.
– I do remove spam and troll comments, and I try to keep this site roughly PG-13.
– Well, you seem curiously uncurious. Wondering about all sorts of things is normal and healthy. It is okay for people to pose questions and equally okay for the twins not to answer.
– Do you really believe in a God who plans conjoined twins? Hmmm. That just seems a bit odd to me. I think a random genetic mishap seems more likely.
– You also seem to believe everything is pre-planned. I think the truth about that depends upon your reference time frame. It is easy to say, “it was fate” after the fact and there is no way to prove otherwise… but if there is a plan, where is it written? ๐
Perhaps one of the readers here will know of an experiment in physics about causality which will clear this “Fate” thing up…
Hey Xeno,
I like your response. It’s very fair to ask “Do you really believe in a God who plans conjoined twins?” Good question. I am a believer in a divine Creator. There are far too many precise balances from the microscopic to the cosmos if altered in the minutest amounts would wreak havoc. That all aside, the context of this discussion surrounds your above quoted comment with which I agree. I don’t believe God “planed or plans conjoined twins.” I believe there are mutations that have been introduced since the very beginning of life on earth. I believe that just as there are “good forces” at work in our universe, so there are also “bad forces” at work in our universe. Consequently, I don’t believe God caused the conjoined twins, nor did He cause my microsomial and microtia facial abnormalities. I believe they were a result of mutations, those “bad forces” at work and I believe that no matter what the bad guy throws at us, God will always make something good out of a bad situation.
That’s about all I can offer for now.
thanks, Xeno.
James
Personally I don’t think anything just slips through the Hands of God unintended. He allows effects to come to all of the causes out there, including unexplained ones as well. Perhaps the twins differances was allowed as a test for those out there who would have been involved with their care, and upbringing, and if that was the case, I would say that they have honored the Great God and Creator of us all. They are sweet and normal girls in every way that you look at them. God loves them, and has a plan for both of their lives. Their private affairs involving their Male/female relations should remain just that … Private. They are now both over 18 years old, and can decide their own matters themselves. Nothing is going to change humanities sick imaginations about the private concerns of these two young women. They are adults, and surely well seasoned by now to handle the worst thrown at them by the masses. God doesn’t make mistakes, and he allows for the mistakeful thinking of men and women who are not too open to all of the challenges that present themselves to humanity. People do have a right to express themselves and to ask their questions. But they could do it in more tasteful manners as I have seen some express themselves on here.
Alison,
A bit odd? Everyone is. Be yourself. One of the most amazing gifts we are given is that there are new discoveries to be made about our bodies throughout our lives. Stay healthy and keep learning.
Hi, you know what i am curious how they have sex!! and who feels what!! i think its pretty interesting!! i have come across a picture that involves the girls doing something (which i wont post cause thats just rude) its upsetting cause they clearly didn’t know it was being taken!! maybe if other conjoined twins of legal age could let us know a little then the sick minded curious ppl wouldn’t take pictures of them unexpectedly!! and of course I’m jut curious not sick minded lol
I’m quite impressed with the twins and think they’ve done quite well over the years. They obviously have maintained a mature and positive outlook on life, and have deflected the negativity that some humans can be known for putting off. I think they’re awesome!
As for their personal lives… True, I am even curious how it works, but it’s their business. It’s human nature to be curious. It’s a gift that drives our society. It’s up to them to decide how to handle it. They may never tell, and that’s fine. They are truly amazing, because they are different, but they live like they weren’t.
As for the other posters out there…
[Moved to the Evolution vs Creation Debate]
These two posters I’ve observed just rub me the wrong way…
Digimancer, you’re all over this thread with insults, I call shenanigans… I think you’re just trolling. I could be wrong though, but it’s not much of a stretch of the imagination to think you are.
I was really shocked when I saw this! My inital reaction was they were really weird (dont bite me 4 this) but then I saw everything they’ve gone through and I think they’re pretty amazing. I’d have gone crazy! I mean, me and my sister are really close but we have our arguments and like to get away from each other!
Benefits: Always someone there. Someone to hug. Combine your knowledge for homework and tests ๐
Negatives: Probably can’t have any sexual relationship – how would it work? I don’t understand.
I just wanted to say and no one has said this i don’t think, what if one of them died quite young? Because their side would just rot? It couldn’t be cut off or anything.
Would they both get cancer or just one?
Please don’t criticise me, I’m just trying to think how challenging their lives must be.
They should get an award or something.
I just can’t imagine what it must be like to be them, no one can.
Well, there was one case of conjoined twins (Mary and… something with B? The other woman had a longer name for sure… *does not have a good mamory for names*) that were far less severely fused than the Hensel twins, and one got cancer. The other was unaffected a first, but as cancer is a particulary nasty type of cancer, which spread over the bloodstream, the other sister got it, too after a while.
There have been various cases in which one twin got sick and died; (I recall a particulary tragic story with two indian little girls… they seemed so full of life in the photo ๐ ) The other always followed within minutes, even if she has been originally unaffected by the disease.
When I was in grade six a few years ago, my class had a science fair. I did my project on conjoined twins, I went on the internet one day and I saw the hensel twins and learned alot about them and I just thought they were incredible! So i mostly did my science fair project on them. And everyone loved it, and i got an A on it! It was an awsome day for me!!! So if the Hensel twins are reading this message, I am saying thank you to them!!
A set of twins who share the same body have celebrated their 18th birthday in the United States. Abigail and Brittany Hensel from Minnesota … have two hearts, and two spinal chords, but share the same torso have lived their lives side by side.
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Great story and wonderful pictures.
BUT, you have some information wrong: Brittany and Abigail are NOT the oldest conjoined twins in the world. The oldest conjoined twins in the world are Ronnie and Donnie who turn 58 this year.
I am watching Abby & Brittnay on TLC, I’ve seen this before. The girls seem so amazing, as does all their family and I would love to let them know I think they are a wonderful example of a family, makes me cry happy tears watching them because I can almost feel their strength and love just from watching this show.
I wish them the best of everything in life and I want to thank them for being who they are.
Ronnie and Donnie Gaylon are the worlds oldest conjoined twins at 57 yrs. old not Lori and Dori shappel as previously stated by someone else.
I’m watching the TLC rerun of the girls 16th birthday. I came on here looking for a recent update on where life has taken them and I found first hand the very reason Abigail and Brittany and their mother chose to be so closed off. Of course closing yourself off obviously didn’t stop some of the ignorant and disrespectful conversations produced here.
So, here’s hoping one day Brittany and ABigail see the people like myself who just are amazed at God’s handiwork and miracles! You each are an inspiration to us less fortunate. It makes me think of what my mom always tells me, “God loves us to much to hurt us intentionally and is too wise to make a mistake.” We can’t see the big picture of our lives or anyone elses and so we don’t know the purpose of “Why”, but if we are patient and understanding it all eventually makes sense and falls into place. I would be honored to know each of these girls personally! Maybe one day that will be possible.
With love to all,
Bea
This is in response to Jamie specifically and also for everyone-
Before going on I would like you to get rid of all your biases towards religion and think logically if this makes sense.
If you would go to this website: “http://www.existence-of-god.com/” you will see that there is much evidence to support the existence of God.
But in disproving a completely naturalistic philosophy (which I think you believe in), please follow my progression of thought: we know that in a completely scientific view of things that there are causes and then effects based on those causes. You probably believe in the big bang theory correct? Well what caused the big bang? If you are able to explain that, then tell me what caused that cause and so on. You see, eventually you have to stop; it does not make sense that there are an infinite amount of causes and effects; this is where a supernatural being comes into play (God). Since God is supernatural he is above the natural laws of this universe and He has and will always exist, something that is supernatural and hard to comprehend. Also, if you believe in evolution than you have NO MEANING in life, you just randomly came into existence with no purpose. I view this as a very pessimistic life to live and wonder how people like you think what happens after you die…do you think you just cease to exist (scary by the way)?
If you look at the website, it will explain this much better than I can. I am a Christian and I DO have something to live for. I hope that in possibly proving to you that a God DOES in fact exist, that you will start seeking a religion, and I must tell you that Christianity is the ONLY WAY. No other religion or combination of religions will get you to heaven, where I truly pray to see you.
Sincerely,
Jonathan
Hi Jonathan,
I too am a Christian and I just believe. I don’t need to know how God works or try to analyze the bible. I didn’t grow up going to church and I don’t remember when I started to believe, I think I just always did believe and I feel very fortunate that I do feel this way. I’m not sure how I could go through this world if I didn’t feel what I do.
I do believe in evolution in a way, in God’s way, that evolution is by God’s hand, his plan in life and I can’t explain evolution, nor can I explain God. I believe that people have to come to God in their own way, people can’t necessarily read something then change their view, although I love the fact that you are passionate and wish to spread the word of God as all Christian are asked to do and I feel it’s important to pray for everyone, pray that they will find their way to God and if they don’t I pray that God will be the loving God I believe he is and save those who have a pure heart whether they believe or not because growing up in a family that does not believe in God happens in so many homes and those people not being allowed to find God because of their family’s beliefs don’t always know where to turn. I did not grow up learning about God, I grew up hearing how the churches were only interested in collecting money and when I grew up and chose to go to church I was always joked on about it and made to feel like my beliefs were foolish but I didn’t let that stop me. But not everyone has the ability to go against their parents and it’s easier just to go along than to stand up for your beliefs, which is sad so I hope that anyone who feels lost, feels like they want to know more about God chooses to do so because it has been very fulfilling to me to believe in God and be a Christian through the easiest and toughest times in my life and I’ve been so far down I didn’t think I’d ever be able to make it but I have because of my beliefs.
I am an identical twin and my twin and I are very close. Singleton’s just don’t understand how twin’s work. I find it interesting that they say “I” like this or “I” do that. My twin and I say “we” all the time. Sometimes, even now that I am an adult, I will say “we…” and someone will be “who is we?” My twin and I know what each is thinking and love each other as ourself. We always shared everything and still do. Twins are special people. We always say if everyone was a twin, the world would be a better place. When it comes to all the big stuff in life Brittany and Abigail will figure it out like me and my twin do, together, cuz that’s what twins do!
OMG! The people babbling about God need to go to a different post. This one is about twins.
Susan,
Have you read the posts in here, people talking about God making these girls? Does it offend you because of the subject being about God? There is discussion about whether God is real because of the views some people believe there is no God because He wouldn’t have allowed these girls to be born as one. There is discussion about evolution going on too, does that offend you?
Why aren’t you saying anything about people calling these girls a new species? That’s offensive, but talking about God being kind and loving, that offends you?
To Matilda,
I completely agree with you that simply posting a proof of God and why Christianity is true will not cause someone to become Christian, we must pray that the Holy Spirit will work in their hearts to have them accept the Gospel.
I am not quite sure how you use the word “evolution” though.
And I think I should clarify something…when you say that you believe in God (hopefully that Jesus is God because hundreds of religions may believe in a God but not the correct one such as Judaism), I get the impression that you do not know why you believe in Jesus. Well I think you should have a sound basis for your belief in Jesus. Like if I were to ask you the following question: “Why do you believe in Christianity?โรรน how would you answer?…………….Well, the answer should be that you believe in Christianity because it is TRUE. For me one of the most convincing evidence that Jesus was and is who He claimed to be (God), is that manuscripts written thousands of years before He was born prophesied specific details about Jesus, such as him entering Jerusalem on a donkey, being betrayed, and even giving the exact amount of silver he was betrayed for (I think it was 40 pieces of silver), these all came true, as seen in the New Testament. You could look up other reasons why He is the Messiah online I’m sure with verses.
I congratulate you for how you persevered through life even though you where ridiculed, but better to be ridiculed on this earth and spend eternity in heaven than to become the most powerful person in the world and spend eternity in hell.
Sincerely,
Jonathan
To Susan the reason I am “babbling” about God is because after reading Jamie’s post I wanted to present information that may help her see the truth, especially since it is more important than anything that she know this truth of Christianity.
Hi Jonathan,
I get what you’re saying. I believe in the Holy Spirit, I believe in Jesus, in God, the whole trifecta. I know why I believe, I believe because I have God in my heart. I knew as a child, way before I ever stepped inside a church that there was a God without being told who God is.
I don’t question why I believe, nor will I. I don’t follow anyone else’s beliefs, I don’t believe because someone tells me I need to and I don’t believe because of any passage in the Bible. I just believe and to me that kind of belief feels pure and feels right.
I don’t feel I need to be able to answer why I believe in any other way than saying “I just do” but if that’s not a good enough explanation I can’t be of any help, it’s my explanation, it’s how I feel and I am the only one who has to understand that. I’m not being angry, tone doesn’t come through well in type ๐
Just as these twins in this forum, I don’t question why they were born as one, I just believe God has his plan but I don’t need to know what that is, but I believe this was no mistake, these girls are anything but a mistake, they have so much strength and are happy and seem to have a wonderful family and that is what matters.
I think the sensation of certainty is an emotion. We feel it sometimes when we are right and it can also be felt just as strongly sometimes when we are wrong. Time will show you this if you keep track of when you feel something is absolutely true. Keep a journal and in a few years, perhaps sooner, you will notice that our feelings of certainty are not always correct. Sometimes they are!
i think the girls are very bright and adorable they r normal girls who argue disagree on things i love that they do not let their condition bother them and their friends enjoy them that is a good thing abby and brittany keep up the good work and ur dreams will come true love u from brooklyn
To Matilda,
If you are meaning that you believe in Christianity just because it โรรบfeelsโรรน right someone like Xeno could easily argue that millions of other religious people who do not believe in Christianity sincerely believe that their religion is right because they feel that it is right. Such a person could ask: Why is your feeling that Christianity is right, correct while a Muslim’s feeling that their religion is correct, wrong? What I am trying to say is that sincerity does not equal truth. Billions of people could all be completely sincere that their religion is true and end up in hell because they were wrong (An example would be some suicide bombers). If this is not what you mean then I am sorry, but if you do believe in Christianity just because it “feels” right, then I suppose that we should agree to disagree (Though I would pray that you change your mind) Iโรรดm sorry if I offended you.
Sincerely,
Jonathan
Jonathan, you say that every religion but christianity is wrong, have you studied every religion and how can you prove yours right and theirs wrong? Also, if your God is so great and loving, why would he condem billions of people to hell simply for living in the wrong part of the world where they did not learn christianity. If Hitler were christian would he get into heaven while truely wonderful people who give everything but happen to believe in a different God go to hell? If this is true I’m sure heaven would be kind of a crappy place. Why is the christian God so jealous he would damn people to hell forever just for not knowing him? christianity makes God sound like an abusive husband or father love me or suffer. I’m a human who has major faults but i would never damn someone to eternal suffering. I would send them there for hundreds of years as punishment or whatever fit the bill. but going to hell forever just for not believing in Jesus is cruel and I don’t think I could love someone like that even if they did create me.
If you want evidence of why Christianity is true you can simply look it up online (I already gave evidence in previous posts and to no avail…so I will not repeat myself). But all the religions of the world do not HAVE to be studied in order to prove they are false, because Christianity has a main doctrine that Christianity is the ONLY way to heaven (It is in the Bible repeatedly) and therefore by proving Christianity true all the others are wrong. And to your questions of why would a supposedly loving God condemn so many to hell for eternity, this is my defense: we are all born into sin and everyone has sinned, meaning that we all are JUSTLY deserving of God sending all of us to hell, but God LOVINGLY gave His holy Son (Jesus) as a sacrifice so that Jesus would take our place by dying on the cross for us (he also resurrected from the dead conquering sin) and save those who believe in Him. It may still seem unfair to you and to many others but in reality it is fair.
I will most likely not respond to your next post, sorry.
Praying for you,
Jonathan
With all due respect, that is the least persuasive argument I have ever read on the internet.
Christianity is the true religion because (a) some websites on the internet say it is, and (b) the main tenet of Christianity says that it is the path to heaven.
Am I getting this right?
I don’t know what you do for a living, but whatever it is, do not go into advertising.
To Xeno,
What you said about being sincere and wrong applies to you and your trust in Darwinism though you may base it on some faulty evidence that could be proven wrong.
Jonathan,
I question why my belief, why I believe the way I do seems to be so wrong to you. Is it that you feel everyone should feel like you do? I mean because in a previous post you actually said what my answer should be if asked why I believe. My beliefs should not be questioned or analyzed at all by anyone, especially someone I don’t know. You don’t know me, you don’t know my heart and even if you did you have stepped over the line telling me that I am wrong.
I am a very good person, God fearing and caring and loving and considerate and I obey God’s laws and I am empathetic, I give even when I only have enough for myself, I have sacrificed eating in order for others to eat. I have been through hell being abused as a child living with my family telling me it was my fault, abused by two family members and friends of my family, I forgave those people for what they did even though it makes me sick to this day and has definitely ruined my life but I don’t question God why me, I am writing a book about the abuse and the effects of abuse and I am hoping it will help others to get through abuse or see abuse and be able to stop it and help people to open their eyes to what is happening even though it’s hard for them and make them do something to help an innocent child escape abuse and a life of regrets and sadness and fear. But I’m not telling anyone how to feel or what to feel but I’m writing the book to be supportive and show that monsters live behind even the nicest of doors and they are not alone and they don’t deserve to be abused and that there are people out there who care and will help and I’m in pain writing my book, it hurts to drag up the memories but I KNOW I have to do this because if I don’t then I went through hell for nothing and I’m just as guilty as being an abuser if I do nothing to help stop innocent children from abuse.
So, what is it you’ve done as a good Christian other than telling people they don’t believe right? This isn’t a contest about who believes more, or better. You can’t tell me that I am wrong in the way I feel and what I know, if I know anything, I know my beliefs and I know that God is kind and God does not look at me and think that I’m not believing in him the right way because it’s not your way.
I get that you are passionate about your beliefs but wars have started over religious beliefs and people trying to control how others believe and why, so if you continue to tell everyone they are wrong then you are not going to be very influential in spreading the word of God. Jesus did not force anyone to believe, or tell them they were wrong in the way they believed.
I know my beliefs and my heart and so does God and that’s all that matters. So you know what, I am offended, the more I think about it the more you’ve offended me.
I was married to a man who told me how to think and feel and look and dress and act and talk and tried to force me to change my religion and he was abusive and he was cruel and he had to be in control over everything in my life and when it came to him hurting me because I wouldn’t change religion that sickened me the most, not the sexual abuse, not the verbal abuse, not him smashing walls and breaking down doors to get to me, but the fact that he told me I had to change religion and I stood up to him about that, I was weak and I was broken for so many years suffering abuse at the hands of my family then at his hands and he was so slick, so kind and gentle and he was able to manipulate me so well because he got me when I was broken and he just continued the abuse and told me I had no one who care and that was the only true thing he ever said to me so I had nowhere to turn other than God and God is who got me through such horrible abuses.
He was cruel and I had no one to turn to, he ran my friends off years ago, but I kept turning to God and he was always there for me even though I suffered so many atrocities against me but I never gave up on God so I tell you what, you can think I’m wrong because I feel the way I do all you want, but I am strong and I have gotten through it because of my beliefs so if you think that I’m going to let you or anyone tell me I’m wrong about the way I feel then you probably need to take a look in the mirror and think about all the things you don’t know and learn how to not put people down and tell them they’re wrong about the way they feel about God or any other God someone may believe in because you don’t know it all and you have no idea who you’re talking to. Do you think for one minute about the person you’re writing to and wonder if what you’re saying might just be hurtful and that maybe I’ve been through enough, had enough damage in my life, enough people abusing me and telling me I have no right to believe the way I do and be abused for my beliefs and be abused just for the hell of it.
Do you know that you’re talking to someone who has forgiven the monsters that abused me as a 9,10,11 year old girl and emotionally abused me for years and years and would force me to do so many things that are unspeakable then tell me I was at fault and that I don’t matter and I deserved what I got.
Do you know you’re talking to someone who not once has given up on God even though it seems He gave up on me? So what do you think? You think if I don’t believe like you do then I’m wrong? Too bad, I’m a Christian and I’m an American so I have every right to think and feel and believe and serve the God of my choice in my way without having to feel like I’ll be persecuted and that wasn’t always the way it was, even being a Christian American living in America, I was not allowed the freedoms of this country and my God by my own family so would you like to tell me again how I’m wrong, how what I feel and believe is just so wrong that you need to tell me how I should feel, think and believe?
Hi Johnathan,
Good point about people with different religious views all being certain they are correct. I may be wrong.
I may also float away to the moon tomorrow because my thoughts create an anti-gravity bubble… but I highly doubt it.
Scientists spend a lot of time looking for faults in the evidence and correcting their views when they find faults. This is how science has progressed. I mean, face it, science works. Otherwise, these people leaving comments would have no Internet with which to profess their disbelief in science! (Ironic, isn’t it?)
Religion works as well, otherwise it would not still be around. It works in many ways. It provides people with social support, a sense of belonging to a group, emotional strength, inspiration, ease from fear of mortality, and it provides moral guidance for life decisions.
Belief in Jesus is much older than belief in Evolution, but ancient religious texts are all notably poor at explaining our detailed biology and the diversity of life on earth. We have learned a great deal since the inventions of things like microcopes, telescopes, electricity, programmable computers and atomic energy.
Science has a more detailed explanation of the possible origins of life. If you are interested in how life can appear on earth without [direct manipulation by] god, check this out: Life May Have Come From Hydrothermal Vents
I saw the documentary on TLC of Abby & Brittany,
It was great! It is very obvious that they are two separate people. When I watch them I see 2 individuals just wrapped in one skin. I kept thinking,COOL,esp. how they work as a team!!! And how we with individual bodies have such difficulty mastering the concept of teamwork. We all have a purpose in life, each with our own obstacles to overcome, they are no different than people with individual bodies with exception that they did not allow their obstacle to limit themselves,as we with the individual body do allow obstacles to be a hindrance limiting our growth as a person & in life!! Not many can teach us these things as these young ladies have done. I am in awe with admiration,respect
and envy of these two ladies for what they have achieved!!!! WOW, I know their parents are proud!!!! I feel so inferior to them.
Sincerely,
Roxanne
To Matilda,
You want me to answer your questions but that would only cause you more harm for how I would answer them (Not in the way you would like). But you do not answer me questions or prove my thinking to be wrong.
But I will answer a few of the questions you asked (rhetorical or not): “So, what is it youโรรดve done as a good Christian other than telling people they donโรรดt believe right?”…..I do not believe I am “good” and that is the WHOLE reason why I need a savior(Jesus) who died on the cross for my sins and rose again because man if inherently evil (the doctrine of original sin). Ephesians 2:8-9 says that it is by grace we have been saved, through faith and not by works. Though good works naturally come as a result of being a Christian. I may have done “good” things as you say but that does not prove I am a Christian. I do not want you to believe exactly as I do, I want you to be ASSURED of your faith, and WHY it is true. Though God is the great Counselor who comforts us through hard times, that is not why we believe in Him.
And now I will give you my life story to either amplify, diminish, or destroy my credibility (most likely it will diminish my credibility because of stereotypes of age). I am about 16ยฌฮฉ years old and in eleventh grade. Maybe to add to my reliability I will say that my GPA for this school year fluctuates between a 4.4286 and a 4.5714 (I am not saying this to boast (do not think I memorized that either (I checked)). Why would it matter? You do not know me.) I have always gone to Christian schools my whole life. I have been raised in a Presbyterian church my whole life (except before I was one year old or something, used to be Catholic but my parents changed) I do not agree with EVERYTHING my church says but I do agree with its way of thinking for that most part. It has been required that I take a religion class each school at the school I am going to and right now I am taking world religions and I have been taught (logical) how other religions and world views such as scientism (not scientific by the way, I prefer the word naturalism) are wrong while Christianity remains true and WHY it is. Of course you are thinking that I have not had enough life experience and do not understand the world, (maybe Iโรรดd like to think it werenโรรดt true) but I think I have grasped much of Christianity after about seven years of religion classes. I base my beliefs on reasoning as you have seen and because of this I never doubt the truth I have come to accept.
Now I have to say that I most likely will not answer your next post (Though I will read it) because I see that we have different views and I do not think this is getting anywhere. I am not angry at you or anything like that. I am sorry again for hurting you.
Praying for your well being,
Jonathan
Thank you for presenting your responses in a clear, logical way! I’m proud of you, and glad to call you my brother. Continue in Christ and His everlasting love,
~=P~
PS- continue to pray for the Holy Spirit to move in other’s hearts
To Xeno,
You do not understand Christianity (not “Jesusism”, please) and therefore cannot speak for it. I will not explain to you why what you about it is wrong.
When you said “Face it, science works” I agree but science, of course, has its limitations. For example: can anyone scientifically prove that I view the color green as you do? For all you know I could view green as your red and your red as my green (see science has its limitationsโรยถthink about it). And if you want to use science, then you must realize that science points more to a Christian view of the world than to a Naturalistic view of the world(i.e. that all that exists in world can be reduced down to energy and matter and that no supernatural exists) And again if you do not believe in a supernatural being that created the universe than you must believe that at some point in time that matter appeared out of nowhere(something supernatural that contradicts the view of naturalismโรยถironic) because you cannot explain what caused the Big Bang and what caused the cause of the Big Bang going backwards indefinitely without the existence of some supernatural being (God).
Jonathan, I was a Christian for years. Many of my close friends still are.
Yes, your perception of color as compared to mine can be scientifically measured. This is done using colored dots of equal brightness and comparing your answers to mine and to other peoples. These sorts of tests are used to detect color blindness.
Which is more absurd, that matter appeared out of nothing, or that God appeared out of nothing and then created matter out of nothing?
[Reading this in 2019, I note that I was not always as kind and open minded as I aspired to be. God, whatever he may be, no doubt understands that we each develop through the years to a fuller understanding of our ignorance and humility in the face of the great mysteries. ]
Hi Jonathan,
I’m not telling you you are wrong, your beliefs are right, for YOU and no one should tell you otherwise, just as you shouldn’t tell anyone they are wrong in the way they believe. You know the saying you can bring a horse to water but you can’t make him drink? Well, your approach is why you are getting such a response, you can’t force someone to believe the way you do and you can’t bully someone into believing, you in fact will get the opposite result you are looking for, as you may have noticed with me. We were fine until you told me how I should answer a personal question of why I believe the way YOU say I should answer it, there is not just one answer for why anyone believes in anything.
No one has the right in this country to be forced to feel or believe in anything they don’t want to and you seem to have a pompous attitude that gives you the perceived right to tell people they are wrong about how they feel then tell them your way is the only way.
Do you ever study about Jim Jones? Not saying you’re anything like him, but if you study this man, see how he believed so truly what he felt, he had answers for why he believed and there was nothing anyone could say to tell him he was wrong and he needed to be right so badly and have followers he forced people by manipulation and fear and lies to believe in the way he believed, there was no choice in the matter, he forced his beliefs upon people, couldn’t, wouldn’t see other people’s sides at all and you are doing the same thing, I can see your point, I can understand your point and I’m cool with you feeling the way you do and don’t want to begin to change your mind about how you feel but I will tell you that your approach, your feeling of superiority, your attitude of I know it all, your praying for me to see the light because I am so lost according to you and have no idea what I’m talking about or feeling, that kind of approach is demeaning and I am glad that you will not respond, I no longer wish to talk to someone who continues to be so all knowing. I am going to stop my email notices to responses on here, and not come back to this site, so if you do choose to write back then others can read it but I will not.
I’m impressed that your GPA is so high, you should be very proud of yourself for putting so much time into your studies but a high GPA doesn’t mean that what you say and think is going to be more right than someone who has a lower GPA. It just doesn’t work that way and there are many people who had high GPAs and haven’t succeeded in life and those who had low GPAs and have succeeded in life. School is only one part of learning in life, the rest is learning while living your life and you may come to see you will learn so much more if you keep your mind open to listen to others and at times keep your mouth shut and not have to jump in to tell someone how wrong they are because you can learn things from people who have an opposite view than you do but if you choose not to listen then you choose not to learn. I’ve learned from you, I was open to what you were saying so that is why I continued to write to you but I think I’ve learned all I care to from you seeing as though you refuse to see anyone else’s side but your own.
Your age makes a bit more sense. At that age I thought I knew it all too and didn’t think twice about thinking my way was right. You’ll come to see later on in life, even though you don’t, won’t see it now, when you reflect upon your youth and your feelings that they have changed but if you don’t, and you continue to put this much pressure on people and continue to be this all knowing person who only sees your way then I think you’re going to miss out on a lot in life, there is not only one way in this world, one thought, one anything.
It’s about many people and many beliefs and interests, and loves, and wants and needs and it would be a sad world if everyone was forced to believe as you do or as any one person does. You need to open your mind a bit more, you don’t have to agree with anything you hear, not ever, but if you keep going through life thinking you know it all you will soon come to know you know nothing.
The fact that I’m in my 40’s I can tell you this from my own personal experience and speaking to many people who have said they thought they knew it all and it was a shock when they found out they knew nothing. A one track mind is never going to lead you to know very much. Choose to take my advice, choose not to, but I give it to you and don’t force it upon you. Do you see the distinction?
I think it’s great you will no longer write back to me, I prefer not to have to read anymore from you, I don’t like it, and when I talk about God with someone it gives me a good feeling, but with you it does nothing but give me a bad feeling. The definition of being crazy is doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different result. That’s what you’re doing, and if you truly want to spread the word of God to people don’t you think you ought to find a way to do it that doesn’t offend people? That’s just a thought from someone who doesn’t know it all but am able to say I don’t know it all and it’s okay, no one knows it all so anyone who says they do or knows their way is 100% right and others ways are wrong are going to be sadly let down.
Take care of yourself and I wish you the best in life and much happiness and much knowledge and much understanding of others and much ability to see more than one side to everything in life.
Apparently a cellphone [adult] pic was already taken of them.
Exploitation or ?
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The photo in the link you posted was a fake. Our team of experts have found this proof to protect the twins reputation:
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WOW!
Fast detective work. Job well done!
I still have tertiary syphilis.
So there.
Zaphod, I assume you know the cause of this STD is the spirochete Treponema pallidum? Get some penicillin, G benzathine, doxycycline, or tetracycline (for patients who are allergic to penicillin) as soon as you can. More info here.
you 2 are pretty
While I agree that their love and dating life is really no one’s business, I cannot lie..i would looooooove to marry them…no questions asked… I would propose to them without delay! I grow tired of meeting girls that cause nothing but drama and play mind games. Abigail and Brittany are very mature young ladies…you don’t meet sweet and mature girls everyday.
What happens if one dies? Would the other automaticly die too? Or would the other just keep living with the other hanging thr? i dont mean this insulting but its a question
Depending on their wishes, doctors may try to separate the one who survives. This is usually difficult if they share a circulatory system, however. By the time that difficult decision must be made, significant advances will likely have been made in medicine, so it’s anybody’s guess.
I would hope that nothing ever happens to the twins. I wondered too what would happen if one died, but then I got to thinking that I should not dwell on such ideas. The simple fact is that the twins are alive and well and that is all there is to it! ๐ I would imagine that they currently try to avoid publicity, but it sure would be a pleasure meeting them someday. Many take life for granted and these two are living life to their fullest and that is the way to go!
I heard somewhere they like bowling? We could use a few extra bowlers here in Virgina. lol None of us are very good mind you, but would love the company! ๐ God Bless..
Nathan
I would think that whoever marries them would have to love them both individually for their strengths and weaknesses and physically as one person (no offense intended). One site I found said that in simplified terms above the waist they are two people, below the waist, they function as one. It would be impossible to have a physical relationship separately and the more people you bring into a ‘relationship’, the more comnplicated emotions get. I would imagine they could get an exception to the ‘bigamy’ laws. I don’t think any judge in the world would deny them that.
However, the twins have come up with unique solutions to unique problems. I wonder how they are doing college. Who decides which classes to take, what major, etc? If they are going for two different degrees, that could take quite awhile.
I understand their need for privacy, but this blog is evidence that with a few exceptions, most people are positive in their support.
Jennifer L
I’d just like to say a great big “hello” and all my best wishes to the girls! I heard they’re going to college. Their personalities remind me so much of my two granddaughters, both independent and very different, yet so much like each other. Keep up the good work, girls! Love ya both!
Sharon Caballero
Savannah, Ga.
ourstage.com/profile/lynnepowell
I hope the Hensel twins do really well in school and follow their dream. i am really amazed at how they work together in things that we all think they can’t do. I think they are really special girls and someday I would like to meet them!!
Love from,
Robyn.
P.S. this is my Email, muffinhead08@hotmail.com ๐
I don’t think that it will be too hard for them to find a guy that would marry them or live with them. Most guys dream of two girls giving them oral sex.
abby brittne if you want to phone me our home number is [deleted. – Sorry, I can’t be sure this is your phone number nick. To prevent people from prank calling this number and costing it a lot of money I have to remove it. You can post an email address if you like. – Xeno]
did u see there documentary it waz awesome
a few questions…
if one of them is nervous, does the increase in adrenalin affect the other as well?
if one heart failed would they be able to survive using the other?
if one stops breathing can they survive on one pair of lungs?
abby brittney i love you both
abbby brittney if you wan to email my my eamil is nickdali3@hotmail.co.uk
I for one am proud of these two in one girls for living a “normal” life. What is normal anyway. My life is simple in its complexity in comparison to these two girls. I only have microtia and microsomia. Facial birth defects. Congenital in nature, not genetic. I have to say that it seems there are a lot of people who have posted on this site that likely have far more struggles dealing with their “perfect” physical condition than the girls and myself and others with birth defects do. I took a chance and because my condition was congenital, my two children came out fine, they did not carry on my physical anomalies. Yes for the pervs, they are my children. I don’t mind people doing double takes or asking me questions. I am always glad to answer them and in so doing, they know the truth instead of some lame-brained theory of their own. You girls go on living life to its fullest! Kudos to you for ALL that you have done. I commend you both.
Sincerely,
James D. Lane
Oh yeah, my email: jdlmodelt@yahoo.com and my own website for dealing with my own birth defects:
www. facialdifferences. blogspot. com
Have a great day!
James
I think the whole thing is wrong. These parents have done a disservice to these children by keeping them together. How will they have sex? How will they major in different things in college? It just doesn’t add up and I am very sad for them.
You guys/gals just don’t get it. You would have that the parents aborted or knocked a hole in our heads so we would not have to “suffer” through life. All of the wonderful things that each of us who is not “like” the rest of you have contributed to society on ALL levels. I have a BS in Electrical Engineering and a Master’s in Mining Engineering and I am the lead engineer at the company I work for, all through accomplishment and qualifications. I didn’t even have any help through my life with “entitlements”. Haha.
Medically, I don’t think the girls could be separated without compromising the existence of one of them and no one has the right to decide who that should be.
If you can’t stand the sight or thought of the condition of these two then stop looking and stop thinking about it. Stop being so selfish to think that their lives should be adjusted or altered to satisfy what YOU think is best for them OR the world.
Live your OWN life.
James
They wouldn’t have to worry about marrying the same guy. One would get married to the guy and then he would just have another chick on the side. Or they could be swingers and get off making the beast with two and a half backs. They could have a most lucrative future in porn, and you all know what I mean, the absolutely rare QP! You’d never be satisfied with DP ever again, perverts.
Xeno, most people’s beliefs in a higher being are obscured by blind faith and upbringing of a devout family. You can’t expect them to fully, or even attempt to understand evolution because they will simply pass it off as either a hoax or another act of “god.” Although if you ask who created god, they go off on a tangent and evade your questions.
Xeno, rock on. It’s good to know that the world is not completely devoid of rational, free thinking beings.
“Light”, Christians can say the very same thing to you…that your mind was obscured because of what you were taught in school or what your friends and family brought you up to believe (i.e. evolution).
On the internet, you can start a conversation about drainage pipes and somehow it gets back to evolution and God.
Ugh.
On the note of evolution- If we’re pretty much monkeys, then explain why we(some) have the want to find greater meaning in life and they don’t.
I could go on and on about this mess. But I have a life. A life that I love thanks to a wonderful thing I like to call my faith.
By the way, when I said greater meaning in life, I meant any kind of religion.
Hi Katie,
Evolution does not diminish the wonder of humanity. We are not basically monkeys, but we are related. Why, then, are we so much more advanced in terms of our brain power? No one knows for certain. God? Alien intervention? Random series of accidents?
As for seeking a higher meaning, as I understand it, our brains evolved, over millions of years, an amazing power of extrapolation which works great most of the time. However, this ability we have also causes errors in our thinking. For example, it leads many people to believe that since we each have parents, there must be some first parent, some super-dad and/or mom who created everyone. This same kind of error in thinking caused the past wrong belief that there were fully formed men and women inside sperm cells. (see: Homunculus.)
Actually I thought it was the great apes we were related to – monkeys are a whole other barrel of fish…
We are related to monkeys, mollusks, mushrooms, mistletoe … there are many branches in the evolutionary tree but as far as we know, they all started from the same seed. For humans to not be related to some form of life on earth, there would need to be two or more separate events that caused life to begin. Possible, but I haven’t heard of anyone who believes that.
I understand what you’ve been saying throughout this thread, and I think it’s completely plausible. I think MOST people just aren’t yet ready or able to understand how DNA works and where we really come from because of our DNA. It’s a fascinating subject.
I certainly mean no offense to anyone posting comments on here, but what’s with all the sexual talk? I sure hope some of the comments that get posted on here don’t make their way back to the twins… Geeeezz.. There are indeed some really supportive and very nice comments on here, but unfortunately there are some others that should be removed entirely.
I forget what station I saw the documentary on, but hopefully I will catch it the whole thing again. It sure put me into thought the rest of the night… Shucks..i was up half the night because the story was so touching. It really makes you stop and think…very hard too! It reminds us of the many morals and lessons that so many of us have forgotten as we got older.
I could go on forever about it, but I will say here that these two girls remind us that life is such a precious gift, one not to be taken for granted!
In keeping with this doctrine, I have come here not to ask silly questions, but say this:
I see these twins no differently from any other person I have run into. I would treat them like I would treat anyone. Ok, so I would be excited to be able to talk to them! haha I can’t lie there! But other than that, they are just like the next person….
I hope to God that they have not been forced into go through medical tests and experiments or what not.
From what I have learned, they are better left conjoined. God intended them to be conjoined..they are doing just fine….and it looks to me like they can do some things twice as good because of God’s plan. ๐ Enough said. No more experiments or silly questions..
One of the questions I was not happy to see on the post was about the twins sex life and whether they would have one or two boyfriends.. Who cares? It’s not like it is our business anyway. Those topics are up to them and not for us to ponder.
Xeno..if I remember correctly, you run this page. I’d love to hear your comments on what i have said. I am not the best at explaining things the best way, so if you have things to add, please let me know.
Best regards to the twins..
Nathan
Hi Nathan,
Thanks for posting. Much appreciated.
– I do remove spam and troll comments, and I try to keep this site roughly PG-13.
– Well, you seem curiously uncurious. Wondering about all sorts of things is normal and healthy. It is okay for people to pose questions and equally okay for the twins not to answer.
– Do you really believe in a God who plans conjoined twins? Hmmm. That just seems a bit odd to me. I think a random genetic mishap seems more likely.
– You also seem to believe everything is pre-planned. I think the truth about that depends upon your reference time frame. It is easy to say, “it was fate” after the fact and there is no way to prove otherwise… but if there is a plan, where is it written? ๐
Perhaps one of the readers here will know of an experiment in physics about causality which will clear this “Fate” thing up…
Hey Xeno,
I like your response. It’s very fair to ask “Do you really believe in a God who plans conjoined twins?” Good question. I am a believer in a divine Creator. There are far too many precise balances from the microscopic to the cosmos if altered in the minutest amounts would wreak havoc. That all aside, the context of this discussion surrounds your above quoted comment with which I agree. I don’t believe God “planed or plans conjoined twins.” I believe there are mutations that have been introduced since the very beginning of life on earth. I believe that just as there are “good forces” at work in our universe, so there are also “bad forces” at work in our universe. Consequently, I don’t believe God caused the conjoined twins, nor did He cause my microsomial and microtia facial abnormalities. I believe they were a result of mutations, those “bad forces” at work and I believe that no matter what the bad guy throws at us, God will always make something good out of a bad situation.
That’s about all I can offer for now.
thanks, Xeno.
James
Personally I don’t think anything just slips through the Hands of God unintended. He allows effects to come to all of the causes out there, including unexplained ones as well. Perhaps the twins differances was allowed as a test for those out there who would have been involved with their care, and upbringing, and if that was the case, I would say that they have honored the Great God and Creator of us all. They are sweet and normal girls in every way that you look at them. God loves them, and has a plan for both of their lives. Their private affairs involving their Male/female relations should remain just that … Private. They are now both over 18 years old, and can decide their own matters themselves. Nothing is going to change humanities sick imaginations about the private concerns of these two young women. They are adults, and surely well seasoned by now to handle the worst thrown at them by the masses. God doesn’t make mistakes, and he allows for the mistakeful thinking of men and women who are not too open to all of the challenges that present themselves to humanity. People do have a right to express themselves and to ask their questions. But they could do it in more tasteful manners as I have seen some express themselves on here.
So – James – what does it feel like when you have sex – do you get excited or just lie there? How about you Xeno – are you a bit odd?
Of course I’m not being rude, just curious.
Alison,
A bit odd? Everyone is. Be yourself. One of the most amazing gifts we are given is that there are new discoveries to be made about our bodies throughout our lives. Stay healthy and keep learning.
lol via mutations / time?
Hi, you know what i am curious how they have sex!! and who feels what!! i think its pretty interesting!! i have come across a picture that involves the girls doing something (which i wont post cause thats just rude) its upsetting cause they clearly didn’t know it was being taken!! maybe if other conjoined twins of legal age could let us know a little then the sick minded curious ppl wouldn’t take pictures of them unexpectedly!! and of course I’m jut curious not sick minded lol
I’m quite impressed with the twins and think they’ve done quite well over the years. They obviously have maintained a mature and positive outlook on life, and have deflected the negativity that some humans can be known for putting off. I think they’re awesome!
As for their personal lives… True, I am even curious how it works, but it’s their business. It’s human nature to be curious. It’s a gift that drives our society. It’s up to them to decide how to handle it. They may never tell, and that’s fine. They are truly amazing, because they are different, but they live like they weren’t.
As for the other posters out there…
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These two posters I’ve observed just rub me the wrong way…
Digimancer, you’re all over this thread with insults, I call shenanigans… I think you’re just trolling. I could be wrong though, but it’s not much of a stretch of the imagination to think you are.
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I was really shocked when I saw this! My inital reaction was they were really weird (dont bite me 4 this) but then I saw everything they’ve gone through and I think they’re pretty amazing. I’d have gone crazy! I mean, me and my sister are really close but we have our arguments and like to get away from each other!
Benefits: Always someone there. Someone to hug. Combine your knowledge for homework and tests ๐
Negatives: Probably can’t have any sexual relationship – how would it work? I don’t understand.
I just wanted to say and no one has said this i don’t think, what if one of them died quite young? Because their side would just rot? It couldn’t be cut off or anything.
Would they both get cancer or just one?
Please don’t criticise me, I’m just trying to think how challenging their lives must be.
They should get an award or something.
I just can’t imagine what it must be like to be them, no one can.
Well, there was one case of conjoined twins (Mary and… something with B? The other woman had a longer name for sure… *does not have a good mamory for names*) that were far less severely fused than the Hensel twins, and one got cancer. The other was unaffected a first, but as cancer is a particulary nasty type of cancer, which spread over the bloodstream, the other sister got it, too after a while.
There have been various cases in which one twin got sick and died; (I recall a particulary tragic story with two indian little girls… they seemed so full of life in the photo ๐ ) The other always followed within minutes, even if she has been originally unaffected by the disease.
When I was in grade six a few years ago, my class had a science fair. I did my project on conjoined twins, I went on the internet one day and I saw the hensel twins and learned alot about them and I just thought they were incredible! So i mostly did my science fair project on them. And everyone loved it, and i got an A on it! It was an awsome day for me!!! So if the Hensel twins are reading this message, I am saying thank you to them!!